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Sep 29, 2013 09:34:35   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
SteveR wrote:
When disaster strikes across the country, we have no problem with providing disaster relief to those areas. It is all part of Americans helping Americans. Sometimes disaster comes in different forms. Michigan was hit by a major economic disaster when the auto companies closed plants in former thriving cities such as Flint, Pontiac, and Detroit. Now these cities have become economic shells, hit by a major economic disaster. Pontiac has had to shut down city hall, shut the fire stations and police stations and rely on coverage from a neighboring city. Even as a conservative I do not begrudge whatever help we might give to these devastated cities.

And, yes, there comes a time to demand total fiscal responsibility.
When disaster strikes across the country, we have ... (show quote)


I agree Steve. The problem I have with DetROIT is that they had a corrupt mayor that made things worse and the state had to step in.

The federal government did a investigation.
"Detroit City Hall corruption investigation"
From:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/99999999/METRO/100623001

If you did not hear about it it is because of the people involved.

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Sep 29, 2013 09:43:20   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
K2mbs wrote:
Stop electing Democrats.
End the existence of unions.
The problems will go away by the effects of having conservatism and capitalism work.
Always worked until the hippy era arrived around 1968, and liberalism poisoned the greatest country ever realized to this day.

Seems to me, there are alot of American cars everywhere
Why then is the center of making them a total mess?
Democrats, and unions.

Name the conservative people, and policies involved in the collapse of.....Michigan?
Stop electing Democrats. br End the existence of u... (show quote)


Spot on.

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Sep 29, 2013 10:28:14   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
TrainNut wrote:
I think we should auction off DetROIT to the highest bidder.


Who would want it? Detroit is DOA. Let it go. :thumbup:

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Sep 29, 2013 10:36:03   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
The reason we can't just flush it down the toilet is that municipalities have discovered, that the use of handy wipes being used by tree huggers to save the forests, to wipe their behinds as demanded by the likes of Susan Serandon and Cheryl Crowe, have, as now been monitored by robots, and have been pilling up in sewer lines causing millions of dollars to correct. Now that's what I call a typical intended consequence.
bcheary wrote:
Why don't we just flush the money down the toilet? In a couple of months they will just come back for more and more ad finitum.

Obama Administration Commits $320 Million for Bankrupt Detroit

Friday, 27 Sep 2013 06:05 PM



With $320 million of federal, state and private aid in hand, top White House officials came to Detroit and vowed to help the bankrupt city fight crime, improve mass transport and eradicate blight.

The money is mostly grants from federal or state programs for which the city is qualified, or for which it needed red tape cut to speed access. Some is expected from private businesses and philanthropy groups. President Barack Obama also has appointed Don Graves deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury Department, to oversee Detroit’s recovery, said Gene Sperling, director of the National Economic Council.

“We only have one goal, and that is to have all of Detroit working together for one Detroit, with the Obama administration as a key partner,” Sperling said today.

The city, once an auto-manufacturing powerhouse, declared the largest U.S. municipal bankruptcy in history on July 18 after years of decline in which its population fell by more than half, to 700,000 from 1.8 million. The city has more than $18 billion in long-term obligations and is plagued by unreliable buses, broken street lights and long waits for police and ambulances.
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Sperling led a delegation that included Attorney General Eric Holder, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan and Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx. They met for more than two hours privately with about 70 city and state officials, as well as community leaders who included Mayor Dave Bing, a Democrat; emergency manager Kevyn Orr and Republican Governor Rick Snyder, who appointed Orr in March.

Civic Singularity

Asked at a press conference why it took so long for the federal government to intervene in a city that has declined for decades, Sperling replied, “With bankruptcy, this is an exceptional thing that requires exceptional effort.”

The actions underscore the fine line the administration and state officials must walk, tapping existing programs and unused or underutilized funds, while not asking Congress for federal dollars. Top lawmakers and administration officials have said there is no pathway for a federal bailout of the city.

Donovan said it doesn’t matter whether the aid to Detroit is considered new or redirected money.

“A family living next to a blighted house, they don’t care whether it’s new money or old money they never would have seen,” Donovan said. “It’s money that will make a difference in their view.”

Heavy Lift

Sperling said another meeting is planned this year to discuss education and job training.

“We don’t expect this to be easy, but we expect this to be successful,” he said

Bing said Detroiters will see positive change in two or three years.

Some city debt rallied today. General-obligation bonds maturing in April 2028 traded at about 94 cents on the dollar, the highest since July 18, when the city filed for bankruptcy. The yield on the securities, backed by Assured Guaranty Corp., is 2.23 percentage points more than top-rated bonds, the smallest gap since July 15.

The White House will commit $150 million for demolition of blighted properties and neighborhood redevelopment, in federal and other funds.

Empty City

Grants of $65 million and $25.4 million from public and private sources will be used to tear down and refurbish buildings. Detroit has almost 70,000 empty and abandoned homes and 80,000 empty lots, amounting to 20 square miles of vacant land, about the size of Manhattan, according to a Detroit Future City report.

The demolition money is welcome, though with a typical cost of $10,000 to tear down each forsaken structure, much more is needed, said John George, founder of Motor City Blight Busters Inc. His group is working to secure and remove empty structures primarily on the northwest side.

“We’ll take what we can get,” George said in an interview. “Blight is like a cancer: If you don’t nip it in the bud, it spreads and kills everything. You’ve got to start chemotherapy, if you will, especially in the neighborhoods.”

The Obama administration also announced $3 million from the Justice Department for additional police officers, establishing a bike patrol and supporting youth anti-violence programs. The Federal Emergency Management Agency will expedite access to $25 million to hire 150 firefighters and to buy equipment.

First Step

Police take an average of 58 minutes to respond to priority calls, compared with a national average of 11 minutes, Orr said in a June report. The department’s roster has shrunk by 40 percent since 2003, he said.

“The only way to rebuild the city is to provide a safe environment for residents and businesses,” said Mark Diaz, president of the Detroit Police Officers Association. “We need a lot of work. It’s going to take more than one gesture, but we’re excited about the recognition by the White House.”

The Obama administration will deploy almost $140 million in transit funding, by ensuring access to more than $100 million in Transportation Department grants, including $24 million for bus repairs and security cameras, according to the announcement. Another $25 million in grants will be made available to help a streetcar project.

“These are funds that are greatly appreciated,” said Megan Owens, executive director of Transit Riders United, a Detroit-based nonprofit organization. Typically, one of every six buses is off the road for repairs, Owens said.

“It results in extremely overcrowded buses, people left at bus stops,” she said. “In recent months it feels like it’s getting worse.”

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Sep 29, 2013 10:37:14   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
hamtrack wrote:
The reason we can't just flush it down the toilet is that municipalities have discovered, that the use of handy wipes being used by tree huggers to save the forests, to wipe their behinds as demanded by the likes of Susan Serandon and Cheryl Crowe, have, as now been monitored by robots, and have been pilling up in sewer lines causing millions of dollars to correct. Now that's what I call a typical intended consequence.


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Sep 29, 2013 11:46:09   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
bcheary wrote:
Why don't we just flush the money down the toilet? In a couple of months they will just come back for more and more ad finitum.

Obama Administration Commits $320 Million for Bankrupt Detroit

Friday, 27 Sep 2013 06:05 PM



With $320 million of federal, state and private aid in hand, top White House officials came to Detroit and vowed to help the bankrupt city fight crime, improve mass transport and eradicate blight.

The money is mostly grants from federal or state programs for which the city is qualified, or for which it needed red tape cut to speed access. Some is expected from private businesses and philanthropy groups. President Barack Obama also has appointed Don Graves deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury Department, to oversee Detroit’s recovery, said Gene Sperling, director of the National Economic Council.

“We only have one goal, and that is to have all of Detroit working together for one Detroit, with the Obama administration as a key partner,” Sperling said today.

The city, once an auto-manufacturing powerhouse, declared the largest U.S. municipal bankruptcy in history on July 18 after years of decline in which its population fell by more than half, to 700,000 from 1.8 million. The city has more than $18 billion in long-term obligations and is plagued by unreliable buses, broken street lights and long waits for police and ambulances.
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Sperling led a delegation that included Attorney General Eric Holder, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan and Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx. They met for more than two hours privately with about 70 city and state officials, as well as community leaders who included Mayor Dave Bing, a Democrat; emergency manager Kevyn Orr and Republican Governor Rick Snyder, who appointed Orr in March.

Civic Singularity

Asked at a press conference why it took so long for the federal government to intervene in a city that has declined for decades, Sperling replied, “With bankruptcy, this is an exceptional thing that requires exceptional effort.”

The actions underscore the fine line the administration and state officials must walk, tapping existing programs and unused or underutilized funds, while not asking Congress for federal dollars. Top lawmakers and administration officials have said there is no pathway for a federal bailout of the city.

Donovan said it doesn’t matter whether the aid to Detroit is considered new or redirected money.

“A family living next to a blighted house, they don’t care whether it’s new money or old money they never would have seen,” Donovan said. “It’s money that will make a difference in their view.”

Heavy Lift

Sperling said another meeting is planned this year to discuss education and job training.

“We don’t expect this to be easy, but we expect this to be successful,” he said

Bing said Detroiters will see positive change in two or three years.

Some city debt rallied today. General-obligation bonds maturing in April 2028 traded at about 94 cents on the dollar, the highest since July 18, when the city filed for bankruptcy. The yield on the securities, backed by Assured Guaranty Corp., is 2.23 percentage points more than top-rated bonds, the smallest gap since July 15.

The White House will commit $150 million for demolition of blighted properties and neighborhood redevelopment, in federal and other funds.

Empty City

Grants of $65 million and $25.4 million from public and private sources will be used to tear down and refurbish buildings. Detroit has almost 70,000 empty and abandoned homes and 80,000 empty lots, amounting to 20 square miles of vacant land, about the size of Manhattan, according to a Detroit Future City report.

The demolition money is welcome, though with a typical cost of $10,000 to tear down each forsaken structure, much more is needed, said John George, founder of Motor City Blight Busters Inc. His group is working to secure and remove empty structures primarily on the northwest side.

“We’ll take what we can get,” George said in an interview. “Blight is like a cancer: If you don’t nip it in the bud, it spreads and kills everything. You’ve got to start chemotherapy, if you will, especially in the neighborhoods.”

The Obama administration also announced $3 million from the Justice Department for additional police officers, establishing a bike patrol and supporting youth anti-violence programs. The Federal Emergency Management Agency will expedite access to $25 million to hire 150 firefighters and to buy equipment.

First Step

Police take an average of 58 minutes to respond to priority calls, compared with a national average of 11 minutes, Orr said in a June report. The department’s roster has shrunk by 40 percent since 2003, he said.

“The only way to rebuild the city is to provide a safe environment for residents and businesses,” said Mark Diaz, president of the Detroit Police Officers Association. “We need a lot of work. It’s going to take more than one gesture, but we’re excited about the recognition by the White House.”

The Obama administration will deploy almost $140 million in transit funding, by ensuring access to more than $100 million in Transportation Department grants, including $24 million for bus repairs and security cameras, according to the announcement. Another $25 million in grants will be made available to help a streetcar project.

“These are funds that are greatly appreciated,” said Megan Owens, executive director of Transit Riders United, a Detroit-based nonprofit organization. Typically, one of every six buses is off the road for repairs, Owens said.

“It results in extremely overcrowded buses, people left at bus stops,” she said. “In recent months it feels like it’s getting worse.”

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""[quote=bcheary]Why don't we just flush the money down the toilet? In a couple of months they will just come back for more and more ad finitum.""


If you truly believe what you post, I feel sorry for you.

You have a terribly small mind.

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Sep 29, 2013 12:10:04   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
K2mbs wrote:
Stop electing Democrats.
End the existence of unions.
The problems will go away by the effects of having conservatism and capitalism work.
Always worked until the hippy era arrived around 1968, and liberalism poisoned the greatest country ever realized to this day.

Seems to me, there are alot of American cars everywhere
Why then is the center of making them a total mess?
Democrats, and unions.

Name the conservative people, and policies involved in the collapse of.....Michigan?
Stop electing Democrats. br End the existence of u... (show quote)


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Sep 29, 2013 12:10:16   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
oldgabby wrote:
What was that old slogan? "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!"

Our government does not understand the meaning.
In Detroit, When the Auto industry fled, so did half the city.
The only ones left behind can't afford to leave. What is left?
The 'pound of cure' just won't work and is a waste.


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Sep 30, 2013 08:20:47   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
[quote=Twardlow]""
bcheary wrote:
Why don't we just flush the money down the toilet? In a couple of months they will just come back for more and more ad finitum.""


If you truly believe what you post, I feel sorry for you.

You have a terribly small mind.


Well Twatlow, if you believe bcheary has a small mind, you should not denigrate him. If one has a small mind it is not their fault. What is needed is for someone with a big mind, like you Twatlow, to show poor bcheary the way he should think. Come on now Twatlow, step up an show the way. Surely you can save Detroit. Don't just critisize poor bcheary, he is doing as well as he can. Loan us your Big Mind, Twatlow. Telll us how to save Detroit. Don't bother telling us about how poor old Detroit went to hell. We all know. Now it up to you to fix it and make it the magnificent ciity it once was. Twatlow For Mayor! I can see the banners now. Hurray for Twatlow.

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Sep 30, 2013 09:39:48   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
ole sarg wrote:
I would rather open the gates for our cities than Bagdad!

Where was your umbridge when we went to war on a credit card?


It's spelled umbrage genius, know it all. Now then. You wrote me a very nasty PM and I answered it 3 days ago. But coward that you are, you cut and run. Did you post your 214? You intimate that you did but I have never seen it. Coward, go look at what I had to say to you puke!

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Sep 30, 2013 10:16:46   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
Detroit won their football game with dah Bears yesterday. The Detroit baseball team got no hits in their game with The Devil Rays yesterday. But the Detroit baseball team has won their division and are in the World Series playoffs. And the Casinos are doing well. Detroit's problem seems to be that they have stolen too much money from the tax payers and the payers left town leaving the thieves to figure out what to do. Something like that seems to be happening in DC now, but the payers don't have any place to go to get away from it. Belieze is advertising for people, and Costa Rica sounds pretty good. So if going somewhere else is out of the question, what does that leave? I am not too upset by it all because I have already reserved an Obama Care Ice Flow and it's being maintained by a responsible Eskimo. I don't owe anybody anything so I won't be screwing anybody financially speaking. So giving all of the above I guess I am able to say what I think without suffering any consequences. "Get all of
those damned Rat Bastards out of DC as fast as possible before they completely destroy a perfectly good country".

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Sep 30, 2013 10:47:45   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
"Get all of
those damned Rat Bastards out of DC as fast as possible before they completely destroy a perfectly good country".[/quote]

It may already be too late. I think term limits will be part of a solution but those bums aren't going to let that happen.

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Sep 30, 2013 10:55:57   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Croce wrote:
Well Twatlow, if you believe bcheary has a small mind, you should not denigrate him. If one has a small mind it is not their fault. What is needed is for someone with a big mind, like you Twatlow, to show poor bcheary the way he should think. Come on now Twatlow, step up an show the way. Surely you can save Detroit. Don't just critisize poor bcheary, he is doing as well as he can. Loan us your Big Mind, Twatlow. Telll us how to save Detroit. Don't bother telling us about how poor old Detroit went to hell. We all know. Now it up to you to fix it and make it the magnificent ciity it once was. Twatlow For Mayor! I can see the banners now. Hurray for Twatlow.
Well Twatlow, if you believe bcheary has a small m... (show quote)


Until I started reading this site, I hadn't been called names since second grade--sixty-five years age. The second graders did it better than you do.

I'm afraid you shot a great lack of sophistication.

I realize you mean this to be sarcasm, but you don't do sarcasm too well.

You do put up a good fight against thought; you're too good at that.

Let's hope for something better.

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Sep 30, 2013 13:51:22   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Twardlow wrote:
Until I started reading this site, I hadn't been called names since second grade--sixty-five years age. The second graders did it better than you do.

I'm afraid you shot a great lack of sophistication.

I realize you mean this to be sarcasm, but you don't do sarcasm too well.

You do put up a good fight against thought; you're too good at that.

Let's hope for something better.


Oh dear, you say I shot my sophistication? Well Twatlow, I was hoping for something better but you are still sitting on your ass down there in Black Rock with your feets hanging in the crick, get up and go save Detroit. You have all that goodern bcheary's advice so put it to work up there. There's folks need savin in Detroit. Be sure to include the Holy Muslims in your plan. Put up loud speakers and prayer towers too. Them folks pray 5 times a day you know. Make sure to put in heated squares for prayin in the winter. Obama has lots of money to give for that. You don't want those folks gettin froze knees do you? Sorry for my lack of sophistication Twatlow, I know you deserve better bein real smart and all but it's the best I could muster up. You Arkansas people is smarter than me and bcheary but we can't help that.

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Sep 30, 2013 14:56:08   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
bcheary wrote:
Do you think we should be pouring money into a City that is so poorly run that they will probably go bankrupt? Once we open the flood gates to Detroit wait for the rush for help from all the other cities that are in bad financial straits like Chicago, Los Angeles et al. It is also interesting that they can find this money when the government is close to a shut down. That's politics for you.


No. WE should not. And my question is, where is Obama getting all this money he is promising. If tax-payers money is used, then the tax-payers should be able to vote if they want to finance this. I agree that is is interesting that the Obama admin can find money for this when there is no money to finance anything else (except his vacations, of course)

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