magicray wrote:
pbearperry wrote:
Is it really?You guys lost your freedoms to own most guns and now you want us to.No thanks.In 1996 newly elected Prime Minister John Howard of Australia pushed for stricter gun control. That year the Australian Parliament passed the National Firearms Agreement which banned the private ownership of all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump action shotguns. The new law also established more restrictions in the licensing of other firearms.
According to the National Firearms Agreement private citizens were forced to turn over the banned weapons in a government buyback system. Beginning on October 1, 1966 through September 30, 1997, the Australian government spent $500 million in purchasing and destroying more than 631,000 banned guns. Howard and other politicians promised the citizens of Australia that they would be safer now that these horrible weapons had been taken off the streets.
However, that was not the case! Since Australia banned semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pump action shotguns the gun crime rates have skyrocketed throughout the country.
Many former gun owners blame the government and their gun control laws for the increases in crimes. They feel helpless in their own homes, unable to protect themselves. In fact, home invasions were so rare prior to the gun ban that the nation did not even have a legal definition for what a home invasion was.
http://www.worldpublicunion.org/2013-04-05-NEWS-australian-gun-ban-resulted-in-higher-crime-rates.htmlpbearperry wrote: br Is it really?You guys lost yo... (
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Are you serious! Have you checked Mark Howitt out?
Perhaps you can join him on his "March of Freedom", seeing as he has a staving family to support now that his wife has lost her job.
Anyway the article he has lifted, and that you have chosen to quote from was actually written by 'Giacomo ' and is found here:
http://godfatherpolitics.com/8975/australian-gun-ban-resulted-in-higher-gun-crimes-not-lower/ Giacomo's claims are discredited here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-23/katter-wrong-on-gun-deaths/4904576 FYI FactCheck was introduced during the last election by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), to check whether politicians were telling the truth, or not, during the most recent Australian Election. Sorry, but you have been fed a furphy.
You might want to rethink that.
Cain clobbered Abel, no gun.
Tribes in Africa and Asia fought over territory, no guns.
The Myan built an empire covering huge areas of Central America, no guns. But they did practice human sacrifice, brain surgery and goldsmithing. No guns.
The Egyptians conquered most of North Africa, no guns. But they did build the pyramids. Among other things.
Gheghis Kahn came close to conquering most of Western Europe... with bows and arrows. No guns.
The American Natives (mistakenly called Indians) managed to war with each other for centuries before Europeans introduced them to guns.
Guns or knives or bows/arrows or other objects do not cause crime.
PEOPLE CAUSE CRIME.
The gun, knife whatever only makes it easier for someone who wants to commit a crime to do so.
However, I suspect history wasn't your best subject in school. I also suspect you never studied logic.
Not trying to be mean, just realistic.
Take care and good luck if you ever meet a knife wielding mugger.
Mary
Skellum0 wrote:
Gun control means many different things, almost every country where there is legislation does it differently.
A very good start is:
1. No guns for anyone determined as mentally unstable
2. Snap for anyone ever convicted of a violent crime, backed up with severe mandatory prison time. ( there would need to be an appeal process for people who can show they need and can be trusted with a gun)
3. Anyone who keeps guns in there home are to keep them in a properly secured gun safe when not in use. Penalty for non compliance is confiscation.
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i think you're probably a member of the u.s. congress. i agree with #1 but i would really like for you to think (if that's possible) about #2 and 3.
pbearperry wrote:
Why is it that politicians love talking about gun control,but nothing about criminal control?We are led to believe that guns are responsible for most crimes and that simply is not true.
pbearperry, excellent point you have. It takes too much work to control criminals and a lot less time to get liberals fired up about gun control. So....there's your answer. Hope it helped. ;-)
Bartulius wrote:
I believe we need to take a stronger stance against gangs!!!
Is there any city in the U.S. that doesn't have one or more?
Do they not perpetuate more gun violence than the "lone gunman?"
Gangs are reaching out into all neighborhoods, they are no longer an inner city problem.
You are quite correct Bartulius! :thumbup:
Jim_In_Plymouth wrote:
Maybe gun control would keep killing tools out of the hands of the unstable and criminal.
It has been proven that it does not work. Why would it now?
ted45 wrote:
You will never get the point. There are already 330 state and federal gun laws on the books. The guy that ambushed the firemen in New York was a convicted murderer who should have been in prison. The Sandy Hook shooter killed his mother to get the guns she had locked up. All of the other mass shootings were done by people on some sort of doctor prescribed drug and none of them obtained their weapons in accordance with the law.
What good are any laws if they are not enforced? How many more restrictions are needed on law abiding citizens to force criminals to obey the law?
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:thumbup: :thumbup: Ted, I'm afraid he'll NEVER get it.
krashdragon wrote:
You might want to rethink that.
Cain clobbered Abel, no gun.
Tribes in Africa and Asia fought over territory, no guns.
The Myan built an empire covering huge areas of Central America, no guns. But they did practice human sacrifice, brain surgery and goldsmithing. No guns.
The Egyptians conquered most of North Africa, no guns. But they did build the pyramids. Among other things.
Gheghis Kahn came close to conquering most of Western Europe... with bows and arrows. No guns.
The American Natives (mistakenly called Indians) managed to war with each other for centuries before Europeans introduced them to guns.
Guns or knives or bows/arrows or other objects do not cause crime.
PEOPLE CAUSE CRIME.
The gun, knife whatever only makes it easier for someone who wants to commit a crime to do so.
However, I suspect history wasn't your best subject in school. I also suspect you never studied logic.
Not trying to be mean, just realistic.
Take care and good luck if you ever meet a knife wielding mugger.
Mary
You might want to rethink that. br Cain clobbered ... (
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There is an elephant in the room.
International attention is drawn to the USA because of the mass killings (by individuals) which occur in your nation with alarming frequency. Yes these types of mass killing do occur in other countries from time to time but not with the same frequency. It is far more difficult for a psychopath to enter a shopping mall or school armed only with a hunting knife and proceed to kill 35 people. The weapon of choice is almost always a high powered semi automatic weapon.
China and India have larger populations than the USA. China has approx 20% of the world's population. Compare that with the USA which has approximately 5% of the world's population.
Before someone starts quoting examples such as:
http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/07/35-people-dead-in-chinese-mass-murder-what-happened/277463/ or
http://world.time.com/2012/08/29/ajmal-kasabs-death-sentence-will-the-mumbai-terrorist-finally-face-justice/ please realize that I am talking about single persons committing mass murder, not organised group acts of terrorism.
Well said Mary...
The U.S. Government is not a people appointed body of elected officials anymore. It IS a separate, entity that has been fed by the ignorance of the voters who have given it it's power.
We are feeding a dictatorship, by Right, by Right, by Right.
Rodzilla
krashdragon wrote:
You might want to rethink that.
Cain clobbered Abel, no gun.
Tribes in Africa and Asia fought over territory, no guns.
The Myan built an empire covering huge areas of Central America, no guns. But they did practice human sacrifice, brain surgery and goldsmithing. No guns.
The Egyptians conquered most of North Africa, no guns. But they did build the pyramids. Among other things.
Gheghis Kahn came close to conquering most of Western Europe... with bows and arrows. No guns.
The American Natives (mistakenly called Indians) managed to war with each other for centuries before Europeans introduced them to guns.
Guns or knives or bows/arrows or other objects do not cause crime.
PEOPLE CAUSE CRIME.
The gun, knife whatever only makes it easier for someone who wants to commit a crime to do so.
However, I suspect history wasn't your best subject in school. I also suspect you never studied logic.
Not trying to be mean, just realistic.
Take care and good luck if you ever meet a knife wielding mugger.
Mary
You might want to rethink that. br Cain clobbered ... (
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To be able to talk about criminal control, most would invoke the 5th amendment.
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