bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL

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bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL

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bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL

My wife and I carry the smith & Wesson M&P .40 shield with laser sights (red). Isn't the 10mm same as .40?

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

My son let me fire his S&W 40 caliber. I liked it because it has bigger beaver tail than my Glocks. That can prevent a nasty cut if you tend to hold the gun wrong. The 10mm is the same diameter as the 40 caliber, but it's a longer cartridge with room for much more powder. It can be made into very powerful bullets. I have read that the FBI at one time was considering using this powerful bullet for FBI agents but decided it had too much recoil for some small handed agents, this was how the 40 cal was then developed. The Canadian police still use the longer more powerful 10mm because it will stop a bear and will penetrate thick winter clothing. Some believe that because of the higher velocity of the 10mm it is not as effective against human targets because it results in too much penetration but not enough tissue damage to stop someone. Glock make a 10mm weapon that is much like the its 40 caliber weapons but the barrel and slide are slightly heaver to withstand the greater pressure.

It has a lot of appeal to me because the Glocks 10mm weapons slide dimensions exactly match the dimensions of my RMR red dot.

It's possible to retrofit a 40 caliber barrel into a 10mm weapon but not the other way around. It's hard to find 10mm ammo and when you do it's very expensive.

bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL

Thanks for the info. We are happy with our .40 S&W's.

handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut

I have a Trijicon ACOG on one of my asault rifles. You cannot turn them off. They are powered by a small amount of tritium and has a usable life of about 15 years and then needs to be replaced. A red dot is powered by a lithium button cell battery and won't last a day if you don't turn it off.

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

Wow, I guess Trijicon does not know about the limited life of lithium batteries! :
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3b.php?pid=RM07

The above link will take you to a spec sheet that states that the battery life to be Over 4 years of continuous use at mid brightness. If you turn them up much brighter than mid way the dot becomes blindingly bright. I find the auto mode works well for me and I leave it on and in that mode.

The RMRs on my Glocks must also be uninformed because they have been on continuously for about 6 months and still working.

I considered buying the tritium type, in part because they are less expensive, but they are not as bright as the battery powered models and can not be used in bright sunlight as well as the RM07. The "Dual-Illuminated" model with both fiber optic and tritium light sources have an appeal because there are no electronics involved and one would think that this would make them more reliable. In practice the RM07 is very reliable. I find that they hold zero very well and are not affected by the shock of the ride they get on the slide. I'm not sure yet if it will be necessary to re-zero them when I change the battery in about another six months.

I'm told the problem with the Dual-Illuminated model is that it's not bright enough in direct sunlight if you are shooting from a shadow. I never used one so would not say they will not work.

Seriously, I can understand why you would think that a light can not be left on for years when drawing power from a tiny battery, but in fact they can! Remember it's a tiny LED not an incandescent light bulb.

handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut

Thank you... I stand corrected on the life of the batteries and the LED lights. My old Millet red dot and my newer Bushnell Red dot, the one shaped like the Trijicon ACOG, uses batteries in no time flat if you leave them on. I don't think they are LED. They are 2032? button cell batteries and I carry extras in my range box. I get them online or at Ocean State for about a buck each.A lot of red dots use this size. I give them to friends when they leave their scopes on. I bought a Coleman LED lantern that runs on 8 D size batteries... I wonder how long it will run before I need a battery change? On another note, I don't care for a Holo sight. You have to look directly through the sight to get the holo image. A friend has a couple on his guns and he likes them. He said it takes a bit of practice to get used to them. Maybe I'm too old fashioned?

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

No problem Handgunner I'm fairly new to shooting and there is so much to learn! Prior to buying my Glock the last weapon I fired was an M1 and that was in the very early days of Vietnam when Kennedy was in charge. I had no idea how to fire a handgun when I bought a Glock 23 about a year ago. I then discovered I was a better shot with a hand gun then I was in the Army with a hand gun. On a good day I can pull my Glock 27 and hit a target in about 2 to 3 seconds. I have seen others that are a lot faster. I'm amazed when I see them do this. I have never used a holographic sight and know nothing about them. I bought the RMR because I thought I needed every advantage to make up for my advanced age and lack of experience. A local farmer who was in black ops in Nam, has taken a liking to me and is teaching me how to shoot effectively. He was trained to shoot reflectively. I think it's lot easier to learn that type of shooting when you are young. I just hope if I ever get in a gun fight I'm about thirty feet from the bad guy. I know that most "untrained" people will miss the first shot from that distance. I seldom miss from that distance. The odds are even more in my favor when the opponent in further away. A good hand gun equipped with a red dot can archive remarkable accuracy. I zeroed my little Glock 27 in by firing from a hand rest at target 100 meters away. I discovered I could get groups that landed within about six inches around the bulls eye. At that distance the red dot covers the bulls eye, so I really can't expect better than that. Once zeroed for 100 meters I do not worry about re-zeroing for closer in targets. I figger, if I miss a shot at a nose and hit an inch too low into the teeth it still counts. I find most of my misses are too high or to low, I seldom get left or right of the target. I need to practice and get more training to improve my speed.

BTW, Trijicon RMRs can be put into Automatic mode where they sense the ambient light and quickly adjust the dot's brightness for the room they are in. I store my weapons in a box that looks like a book. It must be very dark in that box when the cover is closed. There is little drain on the battery.

handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut

I love long range handgunning! It is so cool to hear a plate ring at 100-200 yards. I had an 18" gong set up at 200 yards and shot at it with a Walther 22 and open sights. I had to hold over about 4 feet to walk the shots in. I could hit it a few times but I really had to do my homework and watch my trigger squeeze. My Bushmaster AR15 I built from a stripped receiver. I had Rock River build the upper. I could have done it myself but it was cheaper to have them assemble it than me to get all the parts and do it. I put a tritium Trijicon ACOG with the Biblical scripture on it. Mine is John 8-12. They had to stop putting the scripture on the new ones because it was upsetting the Muslims overseas......... That is nice about your battery but as they say: You get what you pay for. You got a very nice sight for a quite a bit more money. It won't let you down. I went the cheaper route wth my S&W AR 22. I couldn't justify putting a $1400 optics on a $400 gun? That would have been foolish.... When it comes to your life and it has to be an autoloader pistol, it has to be a Glock. I have 2 Glocks, a 34 and a 17. I bought both of them used but not abused. (like that matters)? The 34 came with 2 Clinton mags,, so I knew it was older. I took the slide off at the gun shop and it still had the copper break in grease on the slide. I saw that and knew the gun was coming home with me.

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

I would not dream of hitting a gong from 200 yards with my handguns. It would be pure luck if I ever hit one. Perhaps your 9mm are more accurate than my 40 cal.

Everything I have read says 40 cal. is a good self protection round, that's why I bought one (two). I like the guns I now own and will stick by them. However if I were starting over, knowing what I do now, I think I would order a Glock 30 (10mm) from:
http://www.glockstore.com/ I would then send the slide here:
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/tsdslideinstallation.aspx#.UkCYq7x57h1 ($250) to have it modified to accept the RM07 RMR ($500+)
I could then buy 40 cal or even 9mm barrels to retrofit into the Glock 30. I could use 9mm for plinking, 40 cal for CCW, and the 10mm barrel when I'm hiking in bear country.

This is just a thought. I'm not sure how well it would work and I don't think I'll ever do it.

BTW, My RMRs have a cryptic reference printed on them that refers to chapter and verse of the scripture. I think they still do that.

When I told my gun smith that I wanted the same trigger jobs done on both my 40 cal Glocks so they would feel the same when I practice. He said "Beware of the the man that shoots only one gun." He is the guy who was in black ops and is a crack shot.