PSE-10 & CS5 Compatibility: To all users of both PSE-10 and CS5: I just purchased PS Elements 10, so I have no experience. My question: If & when I "graduate" to a full PhotoShop...

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

To all users of both PSE-10 and CS5:

I just purchased PS Elements 10, so I have no experience. My question: If & when I "graduate" to a full PhotoShop version, are most of the functions (such as memorized shortcuts) the same, like an upgrade, or more like two completely different programs?

tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA

Nikonian72 wrote:

To all users of both PSE-10 and CS5:

I just purchased PS Elements 10, so I have no experience. My question: If & when I "graduate" to a full PhotoShop version, are most of the functions (such as memorized shortcuts) the same, like an upgrade, or more like two completely different programs?

I think it was you that asked this question earlier in another post entitled photoshop. I posted a slightly in depth response to your query there describing the differences among the tiers. If you would prefer, I could rewrite it here.
Short answer for the most part is yes.

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

tripsy76 wrote:

I think it was you that asked this question earlier in another post entitled photoshop. I posted a slightly in depth response to your query there describing the differences among the tiers. If you would prefer, I could rewrite it here. Short answer for the most part is yes.

For we PS Noobs, please find your other post, then copy & paste here. Thank you.

tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA

Nikonian72 wrote:

tripsy76 wrote:

I think it was you that asked this question earlier in another post entitled photoshop. I posted a slightly in depth response to your query there describing the differences among the tiers. If you would prefer, I could rewrite it here. Short answer for the most part is yes.

For we PS Noobs, please find your other post, then copy & paste here. Thank you.

tripsy76 wrote:

quote=Nikonian72 To all users of both PSE-10 and ... (show quote)

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

tripsy76 wrote:

Hope that helps!

Exactly what I wanted to read! Thank you.

tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA

Nikonian72 wrote:

tripsy76 wrote:

Hope that helps!

Exactly what I wanted to read! Thank you.

My pleasure!

Jenni8 Loc: Oceanside, CA

I only know Photoshop as opposed to Elements, but I know the differences are vast and I could not live without some of the advanced Photoshop features. I'm guessing if you try out CS5 now you may not even want to use Elements in discovering a wonderful feature of the full PS5. I think between these two, you should just jump in full swing with CS5. Try it out maybe and try to get your refund for Elements if you prefer CS5. You can download a free trial.

I would recommend you look into Lightroom 3 though. I used to use Photoshop all the time especially when I used to still shoot in JPG. Upon getting my DSLR I started using ACR plug-in more than Photoshop as photoshop isn't needed for most photos, unless you want to do more design work with the photos.

I tried out Lightroom and at first I saw it mostly like ACR, but it quickly grew on me and I fell in love. I usually only open up in Photoshop, after LR, if I want to have some "fun" or more in-depth cloning, as I've found the clone tool in LR is very limited.

I feel I know Photoshop pretty well, but their is always so much to learn or remember, more than is even usually necessary for general photo editing. LR is easier to learn the entire workflow of the software and the process is similar to a darkroom in parallel to digital imagery, IMHO.

Lightroom gives you very power RAW editing compared to Photoshop aside from ACR. ACR has most of the same editing power, but without the easy file photo management I enjoy. I've read in many places where many who edit RAW would refer Photoshop as a plug-in to ACR as a joke in a way. That's the power of editing the RAW vs. JPG. ACR and Lightroom mainly edit the RAW while Photoshop mainly edits the pixels. I call Photoshop a "Pixel Pusher." It's not technically, but many parts of the program are essentially THAT, manipulating the pixels, rather than the RAW data.

Look at it this way too. LR3 is WAY cheaper than CS5. Yet you can still have the same power of ACR with RAW editing. You already have Photoshop Elements. So after you fine tune the processing part in LR you can either leave it as edited in LR or go into Elements for deeper adjustments, such as cutting something out in the background.

MtnMan Loc: ID

Yes, and Elements 10 is WAY cheaper than Lightroom: currently $49.

Elements 10 is actually three programs: Organizer (Lightroom light), Editor (PS light) and Adobe Camera Raw (ACR). At this point Elements does way more than I see myself needing. It will be many years before I become an expert in Elements. But from what have seen of PS everything I learn in Elements will apply.

My Elements came with a free trial of Lightroom which I haven't even loaded.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Jenni8 wrote:

I only know Photoshop as opposed to Elements, but I know the differences are vast and I could not live without some of the advanced Photoshop features. I'm guessing if you try out CS5 now you may not even want to use Elements in discovering a wonderful feature of the full PS5. I think between these two, you should just jump in full swing with CS5. Try it out maybe and try to get your refund for Elements if you prefer CS5. You can download a free trial.

I would recommend you look into Lightroom 3 though. I used to use Photoshop all the time especially when I used to still shoot in JPG. Upon getting my DSLR I started using ACR plug-in more than Photoshop as photoshop isn't needed for most photos, unless you want to do more design work with the photos.

I tried out Lightroom and at first I saw it mostly like ACR, but it quickly grew on me and I fell in love. I usually only open up in Photoshop, after LR, if I want to have some "fun" or more in-depth cloning, as I've found the clone tool in LR is very limited.

I feel I know Photoshop pretty well, but their is always so much to learn or remember, more than is even usually necessary for general photo editing. LR is easier to learn the entire workflow of the software and the process is similar to a darkroom in parallel to digital imagery, IMHO.

Lightroom gives you very power RAW editing compared to Photoshop aside from ACR. ACR has most of the same editing power, but without the easy file photo management I enjoy. I've read in many places where many who edit RAW would refer Photoshop as a plug-in to ACR as a joke in a way. That's the power of editing the RAW vs. JPG. ACR and Lightroom mainly edit the RAW while Photoshop mainly edits the pixels. I call Photoshop a "Pixel Pusher." It's not technically, but many parts of the program are essentially THAT, manipulating the pixels, rather than the RAW data.

Look at it this way too. LR3 is WAY cheaper than CS5. Yet you can still have the same power of ACR with RAW editing. You already have Photoshop Elements. So after you fine tune the processing part in LR you can either leave it as edited in LR or go into Elements for deeper adjustments, such as cutting something out in the background.

I only know Photoshop as opposed to Elements, but ... (show quote)

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

lleach wrote:

Elements 10 is actually three programs: Organizer (Lightroom light), Editor (PS light) and Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).

Thank you! I look forward to jumping in. I need a referral to a good book on PSE-10. I know about "Elements 10 for Dummies". Any better suggestions?

MtnMan Loc: ID

I am waiting for Scott Kelby's new book next month.

In the mean time the PSE WEB site has the manual and tons of great videos.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Nikonian72 wrote:

lleach wrote:

Elements 10 is actually three programs: Organizer (Lightroom light), Editor (PS light) and Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).

Thank you! I look forward to jumping in. I need a referral to a good book on PSE-10. I know about "Elements 10 for Dummies". Any better suggestions?

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

lleach wrote:

the PSE WEB site has the manual and tons of great videos.

Please tell more!

MtnMan Loc: ID

http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/

You will see they have an ipad app and DVD also.

There is also a great Elements magazine. Someone on UHH has a way to get a $10 discount on it. You can download all the past issues once you subscribe.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Nikonian72 wrote:

lleach wrote:

the PSE WEB site has the manual and tons of great videos.

Please tell more!

Meredith Images Loc: Stratford, CT

Hi all,
That would be me that posted the discount code! Use this link to go the Elements order page:

http://store.photoshopelementsuser.com/cart/checkout/subscription/HAZEL

The other book mentioned above (that I also like) is The Photoshop Elements 10 User by Scott Kelby & Matt Kloskowski. The one for 10 will be out Jan. 2 - Amazon is taking pre-orders. $30.85 (list is $49.99)
http://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Elements-Digital-Photographers-Voices/dp/032180824X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323344513&sr=8-1

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

LOTS OF GOOD ADVICE THUS FAR. USEFUL TO ALL OF US.
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1. Regarding PSE-10, I have it, but also have PaintShopPro X-4 by Corel. Price is about the same. But to quote russelray, confirmed by some magazine reviews. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-14397-1.html For the last four months I've been using Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 3.5, Elements 10, Corel Draw X5, Corel Photo-Paint X5, and Corel Paintshop Pro X4. I've found that Paintshop Pro X4 can do everything that Photoshop CS5 does, and possibly a little more, just in different ways.

2. Looking for a good photo cook book I came across Photoshop CS4 The Missing Manual Because it was an edition behind it was only $14 free shipping on E-Bay. At a light weight 800 pages it is more of a reference manual for after you pick up a feel for basic tools on You Tube etc. Layers alone has 55 pages. The book The Photoshop Elements 10 Book for Digital Photographers is 456 pages specific to PSE-10. (good suggestion Meredith Images)

For You tube tutorials; play them on a lap top while using the program on desktop so you can pause and replay sections since many moves of the hands are fast like a card trick as you say whaddtheyjusdo??

3. Check out Topaz Labs it is a bag of magic that saves time and does things by mathematical algorithms that will amaze you and bring a dead macro back to life and you do not have to wait three days. Their Webinar Resources are great. Join one webinar and you get a discount now running 30% off. Topaz adjust is the favorite for me, with discount it is $35 and acts as a plugin.. PSE and PSP. Download a trial and do some magic.

PS: Bought Close-up Photography Kodak Workshop Series for $3.50 from Betterworldbooks.com These are old books, but the only thing old is film not sensor. The site has a search by word, sort by price. I got 15 very good texts for about $50. Shipping is free.

MtnMan Loc: ID

Hi, Meredith

Sorry for not having your link right. Thanks again for it...I am really enjoying it and just got my first hard copy version.

I have a long way to go to get through the past copies.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Meredith Images wrote:

Hi all, br That would be me that posted the discou... (show quote)