NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary

Scientists finally admit they were wrong...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10310712/Top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html

A leaked draft of a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is understood to concede that the computer predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.

The report, to be published later this month, is a six year assessment which is seen as the gospel of climate science and is cited to justify fuel taxes and subsidies for renewable energy.

The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

Other admission in the latest document include that forecast computers may not have taken enough notice of natural variability in the climate, therefore exaggerating the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures.

The governments which fund the IPCC have tabled 1,800 questions in relation to the report.

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One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

The 2013 report states: “'Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations ...

“There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.'

The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history.

One of the report's authors, Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University's Climate Research Network, has said that people should not look to the IPCC for a “bible” on climate change.

Professor Allen, who admits “we need to look very carefully about what the IPCC does in future”, said that he could not comment on the report as it was still considered to be in its draft stages.

However, he added: “It is a complete fantasy to think that you can compile an infallible or approximately infallible report, that is just not how science works.

“It is not a bible, it is a scientific review, an assessment of the literature. Frankly both sides are seriously confused on how science works - the critics of the IPCC and the environmentalists who credit the IPCC as if it is the gospel."

Scientist were constantly revising their research to account for new data, he said.

Despite the uncertainties and contradictions, the IPCC insists that it is more confident than ever – 95 per cent certain - that global warming is mainly human’s fault.

Next week 40 of the 250 authors who contributed to the report and representatives of most of the 195 governments that fund the IPCC will hold a meeting in Stockholm to discuss the finding to discuss any issues ahead of the publication. The body has insisted that this is not a crisis meeting but a pre-planned discussion.

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

What a bummer ! lol
...that damned science again !

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

obviously a plot by right wing Bush people to discredit Barack O'Bama

Has anyone woke up AlGore and given him his thorazine drip?

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

Al Gore says massages are helping out a lot ! 8-)

ozdude Loc: Brisbane Australia

Just another lefty money making scheme.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Oh, I thought this was some startling revelation. But, what the article says is that they are refining their simulation and modeling.

That is what science does. Science constantly tests hypothesis and adjusts for new findings.

Idiots think that something that is said is cast in stone!

bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York

Exactly what is the point you are making? What you appear to be presenting is a number of cherry picked statements or quotations. Is that correct? In any case, these points do not provide any reasons to think that climate change is not a reality. Nor does it erase the reality of some unusually serious weather happenings in a very brief period that we have been experiencing. You don't have to be an alarmist to realize that man is doing some dangerous stuff that plainly is injurious to the climate or changing it (global warming). One of the best examples I can think of off hand is air pollution in major Chinese cities (taking years off the life spans of inhabitants). You mentioned Antartica but what about the open seas now in the Ant Arctic, and the loss of ice on the slopes of the Alps, and loss of ice on Greenland, etc., etc. Do you really think this is all natural phenomena?

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

YEP!

bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York

well Bill no one can accuse you of being a wind bag!

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

Yes ! Isn't that refreshing !? :)

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

The Emperor's new clothes myth dies hard doesn't it? Pssst.... He's really naked.

NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary

Everyone with any sense knows climate changes overtime. Speaking of cherry picking statements isn't it about time you climate alarmists stop doing just that. There is no reason to continue to pursue stupidity for stupidities sake.
Yes... It is a repeatable natural phenomenon and it has occurred over and over again over tens of hundreds of thousands of years. However I do think that if you personally were to send Al Gore some money he could continue to save the planet from global warming. My advice is you should not waist any time getting to it... Cheers.

bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York

1. I'm not a climate alarmist and I don't care to be lumped in with some group that you think are stupid.
2. The mere fact that there have been climate changes during the earth's history (mostly before mankind evolved) has absolutely nothing to do with the need to do something about current climate change (man made or not). You can't spew all kinds of pollutants into the air indefinitely without negative consequences. "Greenhouse" effect is not a science fiction phrase. If the glaciers melt the effect of rising waters on the world's coast lines will be very serious indeed. My family experienced directly the destructive force of Hurricane Sandy suffering both property and economic losses. Believe me, first hand experience is very different from watching something happening on TV. Was that storm a result of climate change - there's a good chance that it was.

I hope that you will relent a little and not see everyone concerned about the climate some kind of nut case.

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

This wouldn't be the first time that those who are supposed to be "in the know" have been wrong!
Why would you feel like any more of a fool than the last time the same guy .....told you there was a hole in the ozone layer and it was your fault!?
Personally I would just be mad !
They have already changed the name from "greenhouse effect" to "climate change".....but they still want to "tax" your ass for your "carbon footprint".......why don't you just wake up and tell them to go F%$ck themselves!?

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

The planet began warming 22000 years ago and will continue until the end of the current ice age. There has been a pause in the warming for the past 15 years even though the carbon dioxide level continues to increase.
The only way to change the situation is to move the earth farther from the sun. Will China loan us the money to do that?