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Sep 20, 2013 12:29:29   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
Term limits is the solution and exactly how the original framers intended it to be. They were supposed to come in and do their duty and then return to their farms/businesses/ livelihood/Families... thus the long recesses.

A part of their "Checks and Balances" intended to avoid the very problems these offices are creating.

I do not think it is a job to fill by lottery- as too many idiots win the lottery. We ought to get at least a chance to avoid the worst of them. (I had to qualify this part as I realized the idiots we constantly elect as it is) LOL But I do like the intent of the thought.

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Sep 20, 2013 12:38:26   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
OK Viscount Driver Here goes a Political rant. Go back to the UK ? If it were not for the USA the official language of the UK would be German. The invasion would not have been from England to Normandy. It would have come from the other direction. Thick skin? you would not have any skin.

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Sep 20, 2013 13:46:33   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
I’m not necessarily advocating this approach but it’s just something I thought about. What if we elected our representatives by caucus rather than by a general vote? People who take the time to participate in caucuses generally know a bit about the issues at hand they don’t generally depend on sound bites and talking points. We have people voting who can barely speak English, we have people voting who can’t tell you who the VP is, we have people voting don’t know the differences between the legislative, judicial and executive branches of the government. You’re freedom to participate is still guaranteed as anyone can participate in the caucus. What do you think?
PS We need to put an immediate end to life time appointments.

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Sep 20, 2013 14:06:18   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
With regard to lifetime appointments. With regard to the Supreme Court. The founders did not intend that 9 or so people would make law for the country. The constitution does not give the court the power to do this. The Supreme literaly took this power. Under Marbbury Vs Madison. They invented the power to uphold or reject a law duly passed by congress and signed by the President. There have been drunks serving on that court. Mentally ill and total incompetents also. The current court has given the gov't the right to tax negative activity. When they upheld the ACA under the right to tax clause. They gave gov't the right to tax NOT buying health insurance. Under this expanded the Gov't now has the power to tax any non activity any amount it wants. Don't buy a car? pay a tax of 1 million dollars. They now have that right no matter how absurd

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Sep 20, 2013 14:19:08   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
RichieC wrote:


I do not think it is a job to fill by lottery- as too many idiots win the lottery.


How do you feel about trial by jury?

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Sep 20, 2013 14:19:11   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
Raider Fan wrote:
IMHO it is delusional to think that Congress will ever vote for term limits. For most of them politics is the only job they have ever had and it is more like the family business than anything else.


You are absolutely correct in that Congress would never vote for Term Limits.

However, you missed one of my points. Congress is not the only way to enact a Constitutional Amendment (CA) for enacting Term Limits. In accordance with our U S Constitution, there are at least two other ways inwhich a CA could be enacted.

One of those other ways is a grass routes CA enacted by we the people.

To long we the people have let Congress run the show. We have been lazy. As such we get what we deserve. It's way past time for we the people to get involved and take the government back from the politicians and their special interests.

It's not enough for we the people to just go out and vote. We need to put restrictions on politicians. Hence Term Limits without benefits. If politicians are to have any benefits, their benefits should not be more than the benefits of the majority of the people.

Like one of the previous post wrote, when summed for jury duty other than receiving a small stipend, jurors receive no other benefits. Why not the same for politicians?

We the people have a long way to go but we have to start soon before politicians run our country into the ground and they walk away with golden parachutes.

This is not a revolution. It is a long over due evolution as outlined in the Constitution, our Constitution, not just the politicians' Constitution.

What protects us is our U S Constitution. Read it and get working creating and signing petitions for restrictive Term Limits. No loopholes.

No more kings and queens ruling us.

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Sep 20, 2013 14:25:56   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
boberic wrote:
With regard to lifetime appointments. With regard to the Supreme Court. The founders did not intend that 9 or so people would make law for the country. The constitution does not give the court the power to do this. The Supreme literaly took this power. Under Marbbury Vs Madison. They invented the power to uphold or reject a law duly passed by congress and signed by the President. There have been drunks serving on that court. Mentally ill and total incompetents also. The current court has given the gov't the right to tax negative activity. When they upheld the ACA under the right to tax clause. They gave gov't the right to tax NOT buying health insurance. Under this expanded the Gov't now has the power to tax any non activity any amount it wants. Don't buy a car? pay a tax of 1 million dollars. They now have that right no matter how absurd
With regard to lifetime appointments. With regard... (show quote)


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Don't just get angry. Fight back with restrictive Term Limits. :lol:

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Sep 20, 2013 15:12:28   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
We have term limits!

They are called ELECTIONS!

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Sep 20, 2013 15:42:51   #
Clynro Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Kombiguy wrote:
From my blog:
We should amend the U.S. Constitution to eliminate the election of Representatives. Instead, they should be selected by lottery, much the same as we do for juries. We put safeguards in place to make sure they don’t suffer financially. At the end of their two-year term, we send them back home, and they are rendered ineligible to ever serve again. One could refuse the appointment, of course, but if one did, that person would lose their right to vote, perhaps only for a set period of time. After all, rights carry responsibility.

Every day in this country, we give twelve randomly selected people the power of life and death over defendants in criminal trials. If your neighbors are trusted with that immense responsibility, why not trust them with the reins of government? Every day, people balance their checkbooks, run businesses and households, and raise children. Why would they be any less capable of running the country? Especially grouped together in congress? Remember, it isn’t your neighbors and friends that don’t trust you, it’s the government. They think they know what’s best for you. I say let’s take it back.
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I think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. I think it takes knowledge about the constitution in order to follow and enforce it. To have people uneducated in governmental policy and such is a recipe for disaster. Think of how many uneducated people are in our country. Would you really want hem making rules and negotiating with foreign governments? I don't high ink so. Besides, people who don't want to perform a particular service will pretty much do a very poor job if obligated. I would much rather have someone who knows what they are doing and wants to be doing it representing me and my interests, but I agree that term limits should be in place and enforced. I think term limits of elected officials as well as their staff is essential. The staff of elected officials, if not turned over, would eventually served the same purpose, with the heads of the staff running things behind the scenes with the elected official serving as a puppet figure.

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Sep 20, 2013 16:09:02   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
ole sarg wrote:
We have term limits!

They are called ELECTIONS!


That is not term limits. Two terms by law, like the president's term of office would be term limits.

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Sep 20, 2013 21:02:42   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
Clynro wrote:
I think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. I think it takes knowledge about the constitution in order to follow and enforce it. To have people uneducated in governmental policy and such is a recipe for disaster. Think of how many uneducated people are in our country. Would you really want hem making rules and negotiating with foreign governments? I don't high ink so. Besides, people who don't want to perform a particular service will pretty much do a very poor job if obligated. I would much rather have someone who knows what they are doing and wants to be doing it representing me and my interests, but I agree that term limits should be in place and enforced. I think term limits of elected officials as well as their staff is essential. The staff of elected officials, if not turned over, would eventually served the same purpose, with the heads of the staff running things behind the scenes with the elected official serving as a puppet figure.
I think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. I think ... (show quote)


From you: "I think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. I think it takes knowledge about the constitution in order to follow and enforce it. To have people uneducated in governmental policy and such is a recipe for disaster."

Is it ridiculous because you disagree?
Knowledge can be gained through learning. Maybe it would be better if we the people learned.
A disaster? Do you think we are not already in a disastrous situation by the current politicians?

Maybe it it time we the people stop being lazy by continuing to let politicians do it, govern, for us and start governing for ourselves????

If politicians know more, are superior to us, then how come we are in such a mess? We couldn't do any worse than what the politicians are doing.

Remember the President has Term Limits. Why not all judges and politicians too? We're so fixated on the President that we forget the real power is with those who hold the purse strings, the Congress.

It's easy to point our fingers at the President and avoid seeing the real problem, the Congress, the lifetime politicians. We're so fixated on not letting the President become king that we've created, elected lifetime, kings and queens in Congress.

You say that politicians knows your interest? Then how come they consistently vote against the best interests of our country?

Term Limits won't happen unless we the people do it.

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Sep 20, 2013 21:02:43   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
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Added to delete accidental double posting.

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Sep 21, 2013 12:47:50   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
The American people are supposed to judge how well and elected official has performed and vote accordingly. Well so far that has not worked very well in my opinion (which is a lot like a..holes, everybody has one), so term limits is a very good idea to put into play. Why can a President only serve two term but the rest can serve multiple terms even to dying in office. Now that is just wrong. We need to scratch out all the bennies they get including retirement pay and start over. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Sep 21, 2013 12:49:19   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
GeneB wrote:
The American people are supposed to judge how well and elected official has performed and vote accordingly. Well so far that has not worked very well in my opinion (which is a lot like a..holes, everybody has one), so term limits is a very good idea to put into play. Why can a President only serve two term but the rest can serve multiple terms even to dying in office. Now that is just wrong. We need to scratch out all the bennies they get including retirement pay and start over. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Sep 21, 2013 12:55:38   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Best thing you could do is to come back to the British Commonwealth and don't bother to insult me I've got a very thick skin.


We would bring our guns.

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