For the bible bashers (Page 2): Most natural disasters are rare, and most of the rest on your list are manmade, and still rare events. It is through the Lord's love that we have not...

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

Most natural disasters are rare, and most of the rest on your list are manmade, and still rare events.

It is through the Lord's love that we have not come to destruction, because his mercies have no limit.
~~Lamentations 3:22
Basic English Bible

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

JR1 wrote:

You mean all the deaths from earthquakes, hunger, disease, pestilence, thinning out the population, ah, so that is what he is about, death and destructon, now I see, praise the lord

Got anything more than sarcasm in that holster of yours or is this it?

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

MisterWilson wrote:

Most natural disasters are rare, and most of the rest on your list are manmade, and still rare events.

It is through the Lord's love that we have not come to destruction, because his mercies have no limit.
~~Lamentations 3:22
Basic English Bible

I'm not going to try and minimize God's involvement...yes...God ordains everything that happens in creation...birth, death, destruction, disasters...all of it...

So?

If JR1 or anyone thinks that that's some sort of argument against God's existence...then they need to take a class on logical thinking.

If they just don't like the idea that there is a God and that He brings about everything that happens? I say ...no kidding...of course they don't like it....no surprise.

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

Until there is proof other than the nothing we have there is more scientific evidence against gods existence show me the smallest proof that we can even consider if we should believe in a god. If so which god

oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.

rpavich wrote:

I thought as much.

Thanks anyway.

PS: You mean you don't want to get into a "meaningful" religious discussion with me...because it's evident you don't mind shallow ones at all (if your posting history on the 'hog is any indication)

Perhaps you will explain yourself "because it's evident you don't mind shallows ones at all" have you read all my posts? Is that your response to anyone who does not agree to your "meaningful discussion"? disappointing to say the least.

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

rpavich wrote:

Great argument...

Let's turn it around and see if it makes sense:

"....more people are killed by Non-theistic regimes than any religion ever did, therefore Atheism is true."

If that makes sense, then you have a sound argument.

Hint: bad argument.

Rubbish

1. A natural disaster is a major adverse event resulting from natural processes of the Earth; examples include floods, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, and other geologic processes, NOT man made so must be an act of god !!!!!!

2. More people in the time of humans have died as a result of Religion and are still doing so than any other cause,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

3. Ireland, Protestants v Catholics still

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

To list but a few, all for a what, a God more than one God, if so which one.

How many beliefs have been disproven

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days yeah.

We all came from adam and eve, I don't think so

The earth according to some Christian beliefs is less than 10,000 yers old, well the dinosaurs died out 65 million years go

Now, you state just one, only one, proven fact for god, just one

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

oldmalky wrote:

Perhaps you will explain yourself "because it's evident you don't mind shallows ones at all" have you read all my posts? Is that your response to anyone who does not agree to your "meaningful discussion"? disappointing to say the least.

No, it's not. Just an observation, that's all.

In other words...it's easy to be on a forum and throw out a comment...anyone can do it. It's much harder to come up with meaningful, rational reasons why Christianity is a false faith system, or that God doesn't exist.

That's what I'm getting at.

If you think that you have some good reasons for whatever your worldview actually is...then by all means...let's put it out in the marketplace of ideas and see if it holds logical water as compared to the Christian worldview.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

JR1 wrote:

Until there is proof other than the nothing we have there is more scientific evidence against gods existence show me the smallest proof that we can even consider if we should believe in a god. If so which god

As long as you do not believe that God dose exist why would you need proof of his existence? However, if you truly want proof of God's existence, why don't you seek out that proof with all your heart and soul. Ask God for proof, ask him to show himself in your life.Ask and he will give you the proof, but you must believe that he will.

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

rpavich wrote:

No, it's not. Just an observation, that's all. br... (show quote)

Tell me, statistically, when rather than if, life is located on another world, this year, next year or in a hundred years, do you think they would either believe in a god, and if so would it, never having associated themselves with Christianity, be a different belief, if that is so would their belief be wrong, if say they believed in fifty gods

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

Bangee5 wrote:

As long as you do not believe that God dose exist why would you need proof of his existence? However, if you truly want proof of God's existence, why don't you seek out that proof with all your heart and soul. Ask God for proof, ask him to show himself in your life.Ask and he will give you the proof, but you must believe that he will.

I want proof because so many spout about it with absolutely no reason for the belief and when someone dares to question an out dated concept they come back at you with the lame comments you have just done.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

JR1 wrote:

Rubbish

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Just pronouncing something rubbish doesn't mean anything.

1. A natural disaster is a major adverse event resulting from natural processes of the Earth; examples include floods, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, and other geologic processes, NOT man made so must be an act of god !!!!!!

Not the Christian position at all...so if you think you've refuted something, what you've actually done was misrepresent it...then refute that mis-representation.

All of which has nothing to do with my assessment of the basis of your argument.

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2. More people in the time of humans have died as a result of Religion and are still doing so than any other cause,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

3. Ireland, Protestants v Catholics still

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Not true by a long shot.

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To list but a few, all for a what, a God more than one God, if so which one.

And I guess I need to point out the fallacious argument here also:

"Because people have done bad things in the name of X...then X must be untrue or not exist"

Hopefully you can see how bad that argument is.

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How many beliefs have been disproven

You mean Atheism?

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God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days yeah.

We all came from adam and eve, I don't think so

The earth according to some Christian beliefs is less than 10,000 yers old, well the dinosaurs died out 65 million years go

Now, you state just one, only one, proven fact for god, just one

I guess it must be pointed out that this discussion is a"worldview" discussion, i.e. that we all have the same dinosaur bones...all have the same evidence...but we come to very different conclusions...thus there is no such thing as "evidence that speaks for itself."....all evidence is interpreted on the basis of our most foundational beliefs; our presuppositions.

I'd be glad to discuss this in detail...will you accept my offer and email me or will you take the cowards way out and keep shooting zingers in a photography forum?

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

You cant even get that right this is NON photography chat :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was quoting and posting from others, better qualified than me, you must be really intelligent as you appear to place your views over and above all others

When you can provide me with one shred of evidence of any god I will listen to you.

Lets make it easier, prove jesus existed, even the turin shroud has been proven a fake, 200 years ago people though the world was flat.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

JR1 wrote:

I want proof because so many spout about it with absolutely no reason for the belief and when someone dares to question an out dated concept they come back at you with the lame comments you have just done.

Proof that God exists:

God must exist due to the impossibility of the contrary; i.e. only by presupposing God can we have a rational, logical foundation for things like, logic, science, moral absolutes, etc...really anything.

If you'd like to discuss that concept...I'm at my email address.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

JR1 wrote:

You cant even get that right this is NON photography chat

Yes...I understand that...are you declining to put your beliefs to the test?

If you are so inclined...then by all means...email me.

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

rpavich wrote:

Proof that God exists:

God must exist due to the impossibility of the contrary; i.e. only by presupposing God can we have a rational, logical foundation for things like, logic, science, moral absolutes, etc...really anything.

If you'd like to discuss that concept...I'm at my email address.

Which god re you talking about