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Sep 8, 2013 01:24:40   #
Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA
 
Hal81 wrote:
Your all wet. I dont know about any other place but in philly they used to pick up the loffers on the street corners and give them names they got from tomestones and take them to a lot of differant polling places to vote many times. You only quote the ones that were caught. We do need some kind of voter ID. But I know now that the unwashed are in charge it will never happen. Juat another down turn for this once great country.


Of course I only quote documented cases. That's called being accurate. Your saying you witnessed these events you allege doesn't make them true. Documented prosecutions and the resultant convictions or lack thereof establish veracity.

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Sep 8, 2013 03:12:39   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Timaloha wrote:
Of course I only quote documented cases. That's called being accurate. Your saying you witnessed these events you allege doesn't make them true. Documented prosecutions and the resultant convictions or lack thereof establish veracity.


Ive got some ocean front land in Navada Id like to sell you. If you belive our voteing system is on the up & up. Pull that wool up off your eyes. Voter ID is only the first thing we have to do to clean up the rotton system it has become. Its almost as crookit as the polls they try to push off on the people. You are a big part of the proublem. You only see what you want. look under the rug of both partys. We need a clean sweep in this country. Lobbyest have to stop bribing both sides to get what they want. this has to stop. They are put in office to look after we the people. not those with deep pockets. We need term limits. No golden pensions or voteing them selves rases. They work for us. We alone should have a say if they deserve a rase or not. When any president lies to the American people he should be impeached, on both sides not just one. This guy said he would bring our boys home. He only move them to a differant danger spot. He said he would fix the mess bush got us in deep debt he only made it worse. Get him out of our white house before he gets us even deeper in debt with this obummer care that we just cant afford.

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Sep 8, 2013 11:24:54   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Nice deflection. Doesn't change the point at all.

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Sep 8, 2013 15:25:24   #
manderson Loc: Northeast Nebraska
 
Timaloha wrote:
""A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon." - President Bill Clinton

The former president is absolutely right about what a great democracy should do. Unfortunately this is not the case in the United States today.

There have always been attempts by conservatives to restrict the franchise. It took women well over a century and painful struggle to get the right to vote. For African Americans in the South, activists were beaten and killed before the federal government stepped in to end "Jim Crow" laws against voting. Then it took massive voter registration drives in an atmosphere of intimidation to fully extend the right and access to vote for all citizens.

Until recently, there was a movement in the states towards making voting more convenient and accessible. Now, conservative governors and legislators are turning back the clock on progress.

Many Americans suffer from the difficulty of voting on a Tuesday in November instead of the weekend -- a relic of an agricultural nation. But it wasn't enough for some conservatives.

So, they discovered a "solution" in search of a "problem" -- the infinitesimal amount of voter fraud. But the real motive was stated by GOP Pennsylvania House Majority leader Mike Turzai, "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

According to the authoritative Brennan Center, since the beginning of 2011, 19 states have passed 25 laws and two executive actions restricting voting. The laws vary, but all have the same impact. In these states, it is now more difficult for those Americans who typically have the least access to power in our democracy to participate. Some of the restrictions are particularly perverse.

Texas allows a state-issued "concealed carry permit" for guns to count as a voter ID but not a duly authorized ID from the flagship University of Texas. Tennessee and North Carolina also prohibit university identification from their own systems. A student without a driver's license essentially loses his/her rights while a gun owner, simply by owning a gun, does not. On Election Day 2012, Florida had hours-long lines because of new restrictions on early voting. North Carolina also eliminated same-day registration and reduced early voting. Indiana now allows other voters to challenge and demand proof of registration from fellow voters before they can vote.

The purpose of these voter restrictions laws is to make it more difficult for the young, the elderly, the poor and minorities to vote. Our voter participation rates are already among the lowest in the world's democracies, but conservatives seem intent on lowering it further.

But guns, why, owning them should be easier than ever. Congress failed to renew the assault weapons ban, but one can buy an assault weapon from an individual or a gun show without having to show a photo ID or any identification. Even after the movie theatre carnage in Colorado and the slaughter of school children in Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut by individuals wielding assault weapons and large ammunition clips, Congress failed to provide enough votes for simple background checks..."

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""A great democracy does not make it har... (show quote)


This really shows that you don't understand gun laws or many others. First, someone who has a concealed-carry permit has undergone a lengthy background check. Which also means they are verified as citizens and also not felons.
Second, university ID don't count because there is no background check, anyone attending a university class is required to have an ID. That includes a possible felon or illegal alien.
Voting laws aren't "designed" to keep people from voting. Not the young, elderly, minority or poor. That is one of the most irresponsible things written in this thread. If you really believe that one political party is trying to infringe upon someones right to vote, get real. That really is stupid.
I don't want to hear about womens voting issues from 80 years ago or minorities voting rights from the 50's or 60's. I have never heard of someone being turned around at the voting booth based soley on skin color, financial situation, age or anything else. If someone was turned around at the voting booth it was due to other issues, such as not being registered. You can't keep dragging up issues from the past to try and further your agenda today.

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Sep 8, 2013 22:22:54   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
When you send buses to "da hood" to pick up voters for a bottle of Thunderbird there is a problem. Voter ID does not discriminate. It keeps the system honest. Yeah that sounds like a racist statement. I live in the real world with my eyes open. Deal with it!!!!! :shock:

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Sep 8, 2013 23:13:40   #
Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA
 
pounder35 wrote:
When you send buses to "da hood" to pick up voters for a bottle of Thunderbird there is a problem. Voter ID does not discriminate. It keeps the system honest. Yeah that sounds like a racist statement. I live in the real world with my eyes open. Deal with it!!!!! :shock:


Yes, it does sound like a racist statement. That's because it IS a racist statement. And you're a racist. Deal with it.

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Sep 8, 2013 23:44:58   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Timaloha wrote:
Yes, it does sound like a racist statement. That's because it IS a racist statement. And you're a racist. Deal with it.


No problem. :thumbup: Does voter ID discriminate? If so please explain how.

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Sep 9, 2013 07:44:22   #
Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA
 
pounder35 wrote:
No problem. :thumbup: Does voter ID discriminate? If so please explain how.


That's a fair question. I'll address it after work.

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Sep 9, 2013 10:31:32   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
A fair question the answer to which is no, until the liberals go off on tangents and twist it into what they want the answer to be. Showing the state issued photo identification, in most cases the driver's license, is as simple as taking a wallet out of a pocket.

Now, the liberals throw up a smokescreen of what a hardship it is to go get it and how it's nearly impossible for the poor. That's bovine feces for the most part and if the liberals are so worried about it then rather than remove the requirement so their candidate can get multiple improper votes whey don't they just volunteer to help someone get their ID? Oh yeah, because it's all about the illegal votes, not anything else. Like most things liberals cry about, it's about something else.

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Sep 11, 2013 08:23:11   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'm not sure what your point is, but it is beyond ludicrous that we need photo ID's to cash a check, to get into a hospital, to board an airplane but not to vote. The poll workers don't know the voters, don't know if they're registered and don't know if they're citizens. An ID is a reasonable request.


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Sep 11, 2013 08:31:49   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
manderson wrote:
This really shows that you don't understand gun laws or many others. First, someone who has a concealed-carry permit has undergone a lengthy background check. Which also means they are verified as citizens and also not felons.
Second, university ID don't count because there is no background check, anyone attending a university class is required to have an ID. That includes a possible felon or illegal alien.
Voting laws aren't "designed" to keep people from voting. Not the young, elderly, minority or poor. That is one of the most irresponsible things written in this thread. If you really believe that one political party is trying to infringe upon someones right to vote, get real. That really is stupid.
I don't want to hear about womens voting issues from 80 years ago or minorities voting rights from the 50's or 60's. I have never heard of someone being turned around at the voting booth based soley on skin color, financial situation, age or anything else. If someone was turned around at the voting booth it was due to other issues, such as not being registered. You can't keep dragging up issues from the past to try and further your agenda today.
This really shows that you don't understand gun la... (show quote)


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Dec 18, 2013 08:39:11   #
Jinzee
 
Propaganda.

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