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Aug 20, 2013 12:37:23   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
dragonfist wrote:
How about people just learning how to respect each other?


Good idea but will probably never happen! Too many lagabouts who don't give a damn for anyone but themselves.

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Aug 20, 2013 12:44:40   #
eye2eye Loc: Chicago, Illinois
 
Samuraiz wrote:
So along those same lines, If a rape is committed then the appropriate thing to do is to write penis control laws.

How about police that are not afraid to patrol the hood. How about judges that are willing to keep the killers off the street. How about Jessie and Al, getting involved and demonstrate that they are interested in the welfare of all the people even when there is no money or fame for Al and Jessie. How about the NAACP do something for the forgotten people I could go on......
So along those same lines, If a rape is committed ... (show quote)
The only thing Jesse is doing right now, is trying to keep his son's prison sentence from happening or reduced due to "mental issues". Once out of prison, the black people will re-elect him so he can steal once again.

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Aug 20, 2013 13:04:45   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Skellum0 wrote:
The difference is gun control works when done properly. Whole countries become safer places to live. Homicides go down, suicides go down, accidental shootings almost disappear and mass killings almost never happen.

You don't need to carry a gun in Australia, New Zealand, or most places in Scandinavia and Western Europe simply because almost no- one gets murdered on the kind of semi casual basis now common in America. Chicago does not have effective gun control compared to these countries.
The difference is gun control works when done prop... (show quote)


If your thesis is correct then explain Switzerland where all adult males have a real assault rifle in their home and the murder rate is near zero.

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Aug 20, 2013 13:12:53   #
hdale Loc: Washington
 
Can you give one verifiable example where gun control has had a positive effect on violent crime?

Countries with mandatory gun ownership (example -Switzerland) have the lowest rates of violent crime in the world; cities in the us that require gun ownership show the same results; not only gun violence, but overall violent crime, go figure!

We don't call 911, if we did it will be too late! At more than 50% illegal alien population and rampant gang activity with killings every week, we are our only protection from those that want to harm us including tyrannical governments.

I cannot take credit for writing this, but it works for my family, yes we have concealed weapon permits, and yes we are always but legally armed.

I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
Police protection is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
I carry a gun because God gave me the Right to do so; it is inalienable.

FREEDOM HAS NEVER BEEN FREE, IT MUST BE EARNED BY FIGHTING FOR IT!

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Aug 20, 2013 13:41:56   #
jcs Loc: USA
 
dragonfist wrote:
How about people just learning how to respect each other?


No one will ever get respected by others until they EARN it.

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Aug 20, 2013 14:01:51   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Interesting: CHRIST Medical Center; 1,100 shooting & stabbing victims treated last year!

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Aug 20, 2013 14:08:31   #
hdale Loc: Washington
 
It's more interesting that they were already criminals. The criminals commit the crimes yet government somehow thinks penalizing law abiding citizens will stop the crimes?

The problem with idiots is that they are to dumb to realize they are one!

The criminals are often smarter than government, at least they do know it's in their own best interests to commit their crimes in gun-free zones; as Chicago's violent crime record verifies.

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Aug 20, 2013 15:40:22   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
HEART wrote:
Interesting: CHRIST Medical Center; 1,100 shooting & stabbing victims treated last year!


Why don't you give the actual figures for gunshot wounds as opposed to stabbing wounds?

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Aug 20, 2013 15:40:46   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
hdale wrote:
It's more interesting that they were already criminals. The criminals commit the crimes yet government somehow thinks penalizing law abiding citizens will stop the crimes?

The problem with idiots is that they are to dumb to realize they are one!

The criminals are often smarter than government, at least they do know it's in their own best interests to commit their crimes in gun-free zones; as Chicago's violent crime record verifies.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 20, 2013 18:20:59   #
WildBill Loc: South West Florida
 
Skellum0 wrote:
The difference is gun control works when done properly. Whole countries become safer places to live. Homicides go down, suicides go down, accidental shootings almost disappear and mass killings almost never happen.

You don't need to carry a gun in Australia, New Zealand, or most places in Scandinavia and Western Europe simply because almost no- one gets murdered on the kind of semi casual basis now common in America. Chicago does not have effective gun control compared to these countries.
The difference is gun control works when done prop... (show quote)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9e_1326729357

Have you checked your facts?
Australia and New Zealand were ranked highest in crime victims (USA #15). High ranks in RAPE as well. Seems they would do well to have have guns.

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Aug 20, 2013 19:50:07   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
WildBill wrote:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9e_1326729357

Have you checked your facts?
Australia and New Zealand were ranked highest in crime victims (USA #15). High ranks in RAPE as well. Seems they would do well to have have guns.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 20, 2013 20:52:53   #
handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut
 
Why don't we just give Chicago and Detroit to Canada? Their gun/crime rate is a little low and this could bring them up to speed?
LDB415 wrote:
Oh yeah, definitely, absolutely more gun laws. After all, Chicago has done so well already with the most restrictive gun laws in the country that adding more is certain to be the answer.

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Aug 20, 2013 21:22:41   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
handgunner wrote:
Why don't we just give Chicago and Detroit to Canada? Their gun/crime rate is a little low and this could bring them up to speed?


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 20, 2013 22:32:08   #
Skellum0
 
hdale wrote:
Gun control stops legitimate gun owners from protecting themselves from criminals packing illegal guns, knives, clubs, and etc.

Criminals target gun free zones because they don't want to get shot by legitimate gun toting protectors of home, country, and family. Remember the theater massacre? It was the only one in town that openly prohibited legal concealed weapons. Same applies to gun free school zones, prime targets for criminals and kooks with weapons of all kinds.

History repeats itself; control guns to increase violent crime.

• In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
• China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
• Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million..

Lets ban cars, they kill more people than all the other weapons combined. Stupid is as stupid does!
Gun control stops legitimate gun owners from prote... (show quote)


This is typical example of an ignorant person regurgitating low level NRA propaganda.

1. In Western countries with effective gun control criminals have learned it is nor worth their while to carry weapons. As the law abiding citizens are not armed their is no reason for the criminals to risk an extra 5 or 10 years incarceration. This is why these countries, and by extension every citizen in these countries, is so much safer. The overall murder rate averages about a quarter of the US.

2.Quoting a list of totalitarian countries imposing gun control in no way establishes a link between gun control and government sanctioned murder. It's what happens in totalitarian countries. No country introducing gun control through a civilised democratic process has suddenly turned on their citizens.

3. Trying to liken cars to guns is yet another NRA red herring aimed to bemuse the mindless. Cars are an essential part of everyday life, modern America could not function without them. There are plenty of modern societies operating happily with very few guns in the entire civilian population.The percentage of deaths ratio to the amount of time people spend using cars is tiny. The percentage of times someone is injured or killed ratio to guns fired is relatively very high. In addition, cars are strictly licensed, users have to prove competence, and most idiots end up banned from driving.

4. Most major American cities are now on the list of dangerous places to visit, some countries even advise against going. This puts much of the US alongside places like South Africa and Jamaica.

Unlike most Americans I have had the benefit of visiting and living in many different countries. I have spent over 6 of the last 20 years in Australia, where, the difference since gun control is truly remarkable. Almost the only gun murders nowadays are criminal on criminal, mostly bikie gangs and even these are rare enough to make national news. There have been no mass killings since Port Arthur in 1996 which prompted the current gun laws and the murder rate has dropped to around 1 person in every 100,000 compared to 4.3 in America.

I grew up on a ranch where guns were used as part of daily life. Later I spent 10 years in the military. I know guns well, and I know how people react in situations involving guns. There are almost no situations where arming up makes civilians safer. Y'all are going to say I know a small town where everyone has to carry a gun and there is no crime. Good for you. There are small towns all over the World with or without guns with no or low crime. Look at the cities, New Orleans and St Louis are among the most dangerous cities in the World. Chicago is not far behind because it impossible to have effective gun control in isolation.

Finally the constitution. The role of the constitution is to protect and serve the American people, not vice versa. Therefore, if there is a part of the constitution causing the deaths of nearly 30,000 people a year, then it should be changed. The constitution is a living document, the purpose of the Amendments is to allow progress.

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Aug 20, 2013 22:34:25   #
WildBill Loc: South West Florida
 
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