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Dec 3, 2011 23:32:33   #
birdie
 
English_Wolf wrote:
birdie wrote:
Just getting started, that could be a grape fruit and a big green apple. I think what he is concerned about is the composition, the shape size, color do they relate to each other in good ways.


Well, if this the concern, sorry but it is a total miss. Ceramic is out of proportion with pineapple and eats half of it for starter. I stand by statement: bad mix of objects creates most of the trouble here. Going to the store is not that expensive, regardless of how one looks at it, after all, this will be food on the table.

This person ask for an input and here it is: get rid of the obnoxious ceramic and try with something else. A red apple, green apple and yellow apple by example but that would be too many of the same thing so let's replace the yellow apple with a large grape fruit, the green one with an avocado. None will overwhelm the pineapple not the bananas.

Then again, it is a question of vision so... Anyone's guess may or may not work. There is a need for equilibrium, nothing else. Here, there is none. I am not going to sugar coat this.

idea? color/composition = vision You just cannot compromise if you want to do something right.
quote=birdie Just getting started, that could be ... (show quote)

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I just hate it when the person who asked for help in no longer considered. He had his ideas, his plan, and needs to follow through in his way. I hope he can find some positive ideas, throughout this thread that will work with his plan. I hope he understands that if there are any ideas of value to him, he should use them as he likes, throwing all other opinions and remarks, not to his liking, aside . A good piece of art can not be done by a committee. The artist makes the decisions. The committee might make suggestions, but not give orders.

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Dec 3, 2011 23:45:40   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
There is nothing to hate. He ask what is wrong and why he is missing the mark. Everyone looks left and right but not at the obvious: The subject matter is not quite right due to an error of element selection. What is wrong with that, that you need to hate?

On a good piece of art created by a single individual, I agree totally.
I also agree (obviously) that being painfully honest is the best bet to make a person progress. This person is able to manipulate the image and still has no result that is satisfactory so, what else is left?

Just try again with different combination(s).

It's a bit like what is wrong with this picture? Showing a guy padding in the middle of a desert.

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Dec 4, 2011 00:21:13   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
English_Wolf wrote:
birdie wrote:
Just getting started, that could be a grape fruit and a big green apple. I think what he is concerned about is the composition, the shape size, color do they relate to each other in good ways.


Well, if this the concern, sorry but it is a total miss. Ceramic is out of proportion with pineapple and eats half of it for starter. I stand by statement: bad mix of objects creates most of the trouble here. Going to the store is not that expensive, regardless of how one looks at it, after all, this will be food on the table.

This person ask for an input and here it is: get rid of the obnoxious ceramic and try with something else. A red apple, green apple and yellow apple by example but that would be too many of the same thing so let's replace the yellow apple with a large grape fruit, the green one with an avocado. None will overwhelm the pineapple not the bananas.

Then again, it is a question of vision so... Anyone's guess may or may not work. There is a need for equilibrium, nothing else. Here, there is none. I am not going to sugar coat this.

idea? color/composition = vision You just cannot compromise if you want to do something right.
quote=birdie Just getting started, that could be ... (show quote)
Hey! You're not hurting my feelings any. I know it's crap. How is some one going to learn if no one tells them the truth? The cool thing is that I have learned a lot of different ideas and approaches from a lot of people on this thread. I'll tell you something else; I have cs5 and lightroom 3 but I can not layer or insert items for the life of me. Eventually I will learn how to but that is not my focus right now. I want to become a better photographer and I know my weakest point is my composition as you may well know by now. I want to get to the point where I keep the pp down to a minimum; which is kind of what I am doing now. This way people can see what I am doing right or wrong and make the appropriate recommendations.

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Dec 4, 2011 00:47:40   #
birdie
 
good, I am glad you are able to take this all with a grain of salt. and not seriously at that. One thing you need to ingrain in yourself is that your work and ideas are as valid an anyones . You should not call them a " piece of Crap". part of a process, a work in progress, A good idea, maybe not quite there, but not a piece of crap. it is hard to undo that kind of self talk. I asked permission, I am sure lost in the shuffle above while you were off line, or I may not have seen your answer One fellow showed some ideas for changes. may I show mine. as i stated earlier, just for seeing how it looks differently not for saying" you should do this" or anything like it. a picture is worth 10,000words. Mine is a 10 minute alteration, not for critique just to see a different approach that can be done pre-camera so you do not need to pp.your image.

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Dec 4, 2011 01:38:35   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
birdie wrote:
good, I am glad you are able to take this all with a grain of salt. and not seriously at that. One thing you need to ingrain in yourself is that your work and ideas are as valid an anyones . You should not call them a " piece of Crap". part of a process, a work in progress, A good idea, maybe not quite there, but not a piece of crap. it is hard to undo that kind of self talk. I asked permission, I am sure lost in the shuffle above while you were off line, or I may not have seen your answer One fellow showed some ideas for changes. may I show mine. as i stated earlier, just for seeing how it looks differently not for saying" you should do this" or anything like it. a picture is worth 10,000words. Mine is a 10 minute alteration, not for critique just to see a different approach that can be done pre-camera so you do not need to pp.your image.
good, I am glad you are able to take this all wit... (show quote)
Go for it. I would like to see your take on it.

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Dec 4, 2011 01:44:03   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
tainkc wrote:
Hey! You're not hurting my feelings any. I know it's crap. How is some one going to learn if no one tells them the truth?
I also disagree with your 'piece of crap'. A test is not a piece of crap. I would not say the same for some of the advices because few thought of the association of shape, patern and texture. They concentrated on your original complaint.

This is the only thing you have to work on. It is not necessarily easy but once you have trained yourself to see, you'll do just fine, if not better. The rest, lighting, shadows can easily be corrected as you take the shot with simple objects around you, hence the ladder with a white sheet to be used as a cheap reflector.

I believe the major problem is everyone's: Our eyes lie to us constantly when it comes to photography. We all need to let the lies go and basically play at being schizophrenics. Two views at the same time, battling each other, who will win?

Your effort of getting out of PP to solve all the problems is admirable and well worth it once you see the results and what you can do w/o training wheels that get on the way.

Still while I am really against PP it has its use. It can make a good picture into a work of art. A couple of folks here are doing that and it is great. Still, the start is a good picture.

So cheer up stop calling your stuff 'piece of crap' because if you want me to show you some of mine... 'Crap' does not even come close enough to what I call it!

I have bad news... 20 years is not close enough to learn everything, not even a full lifetime!

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Dec 4, 2011 01:44:52   #
birdie
 
tainkc wrote:
birdie wrote:
good, I am glad you are able to take this all with a grain of salt. and not seriously at that. One thing you need to ingrain in yourself is that your work and ideas are as valid an anyones . You should not call them a " piece of Crap". part of a process, a work in progress, A good idea, maybe not quite there, but not a piece of crap. it is hard to undo that kind of self talk. I asked permission, I am sure lost in the shuffle above while you were off line, or I may not have seen your answer One fellow showed some ideas for changes. may I show mine. as i stated earlier, just for seeing how it looks differently not for saying" you should do this" or anything like it. a picture is worth 10,000words. Mine is a 10 minute alteration, not for critique just to see a different approach that can be done pre-camera so you do not need to pp.your image.
good, I am glad you are able to take this all wit... (show quote)
Go for it. I would like to see your take on it.
quote=birdie good, I am glad you are able to take... (show quote)


This with moving it away from the wall makes the pineapple look vertical rather than lying on the tiles which look like floor. much more depth. ceramic balls? somebody elses problem.

Darken behind or drape
Darken behind or drape...

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Dec 4, 2011 01:46:44   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
birdie wrote:
tainkc wrote:
birdie wrote:
good, I am glad you are able to take this all with a grain of salt. and not seriously at that. One thing you need to ingrain in yourself is that your work and ideas are as valid an anyones . You should not call them a " piece of Crap". part of a process, a work in progress, A good idea, maybe not quite there, but not a piece of crap. it is hard to undo that kind of self talk. I asked permission, I am sure lost in the shuffle above while you were off line, or I may not have seen your answer One fellow showed some ideas for changes. may I show mine. as i stated earlier, just for seeing how it looks differently not for saying" you should do this" or anything like it. a picture is worth 10,000words. Mine is a 10 minute alteration, not for critique just to see a different approach that can be done pre-camera so you do not need to pp.your image.
good, I am glad you are able to take this all wit... (show quote)
Go for it. I would like to see your take on it.
quote=birdie good, I am glad you are able to take... (show quote)


This with moving it away from the wall makes the pineapple look vertical rather than lying on the tiles which look like floor. much more depth. ceramic balls? somebody elses problem.
quote=tainkc quote=birdie good, I am glad you ar... (show quote)
Oh, wow! As for the ceramic balls, They were there. They were convenient.

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Dec 4, 2011 01:54:47   #
birdie
 
tainkc wrote:
birdie wrote:
tainkc wrote:
birdie wrote:
good, I am glad you are able to take this all with a grain of salt. and not seriously at that. One thing you need to ingrain in yourself is that your work and ideas are as valid an anyones . You should not call them a " piece of Crap". part of a process, a work in progress, A good idea, maybe not quite there, but not a piece of crap. it is hard to undo that kind of self talk. I asked permission, I am sure lost in the shuffle above while you were off line, or I may not have seen your answer One fellow showed some ideas for changes. may I show mine. as i stated earlier, just for seeing how it looks differently not for saying" you should do this" or anything like it. a picture is worth 10,000words. Mine is a 10 minute alteration, not for critique just to see a different approach that can be done pre-camera so you do not need to pp.your image.
good, I am glad you are able to take this all wit... (show quote)
Go for it. I would like to see your take on it.
quote=birdie good, I am glad you are able to take... (show quote)


This with moving it away from the wall makes the pineapple look vertical rather than lying on the tiles which look like floor. much more depth. ceramic balls? somebody elses problem.
quote=tainkc quote=birdie good, I am glad you ar... (show quote)
Oh, wow! As for the ceramic balls, They were there. They were convenient.
quote=birdie quote=tainkc quote=birdie good, I ... (show quote)


Set the pineapple on a little box, or riser , won't be lost. Balls lend good color doesn't matter what they are. Hope can use the idea to see the difference loosing the tile makes. Ok. hope to see your next move.

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Dec 4, 2011 02:39:46   #
dupe4050 Loc: Seattle, WA
 
Composition is very important in setting up a still life. Everything should lead you into the scene. Check out this short video of my good friend David Leffel. He talks about some of these ideas. You can also bing his name and see example of his still lifes.
David Leffel, "The Art of Painting" Oil P…
YouTube7:042/7/2009
You need to lead the viewer into you photo. Even if the bananas were at an angle they would do more to lead you in rather than form a barrier.

Keep working on these setup. You have the right idea.

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Dec 4, 2011 02:52:38   #
Dunatic
 
tainkc wrote:
tilde531 wrote:
The color tones are too close to one another to provide any contrast or "oomph".
And the lighting needs to be upped.

This is only being offered because you said that to YOU this is a boring composition.

I think what drew you to these particular objects is their varied textures (I applaud your vision in that regard :thumbup: )... but because you've placed them against a similarly textured background, the textures just all mingle too much to stand out.
Instead of supporting each other, they blend together. Thanks Tilde. I thought about putting the balls on top of an orange heat pad and I do have a low profile decorative plate that I thought of using for the bananas. I shot this on the kitchen counter. There is a cabinet right above my subject which has an embedded halogen light on the bottom. This was my inspiration for shooting there. You are right about being too monochromatic. On my previous post some one mentioned that my light levels were a bit to the red. So I toned it down a bit. Being red/green colorblind, this does present its' own problems. LOL. Actually, not funny. LOL. I guess I over compensated. You gave me an idea. I will try again tonight.

And again, the subjects are all on one plane... nothing to make any of them visually separate from other objects.

Don't sell yourself so short...you have vision and recognize interesting subjects naturally. You have an eye for textures that many don't have... you'll get there!! :)

You could place maybe the bananas on a brightly colored plate, or replace ONE thing with an object that offers a pop of color... or edit the number of unifying textures to maybe three... any number of small changes could get you where you want to be with this one.

And btw- I like the composition of #2 much better than #1... you're developing a good eye for arrangement.
The color tones are too close to one another to pr... (show quote)
quote=tilde531 The color tones are too close to o... (show quote)


When I do still life photos. I love to put objects on several different platforms made from boxes (saltine boxes, small containers). All set up on a table with lots of light, natural or with the use of nightlights, flashlights, whatever is around. I drape a black velvet cloth over the boxes, then place the items on it. Sometimes, I use white cloth on the boxes. I'd say try not to use your flash, unless you are using a special ring flsah. Just an idea. Hope it helps. And, I love the textures and colors you used. Not crazy about the background. Good luck, let us see your progress. Cheryl

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Dec 4, 2011 11:59:46   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
dupe4050 wrote:
Composition is very important in setting up a still life. Everything should lead you into the scene. Check out this short video of my good friend David Leffel. He talks about some of these ideas. You can also bing his name and see example of his still lifes.
David Leffel, "The Art of Painting" Oil P…
YouTube7:042/7/2009
You need to lead the viewer into you photo. Even if the bananas were at an angle they would do more to lead you in rather than form a barrier.

Keep working on these setup. You have the right idea.
Composition is very important in setting up a stil... (show quote)
Thanks.

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