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Aug 13, 2013 14:27:14   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I made an error. I thought you, of all people, would know what the jobs bill was. This was the bill several years ago that would have put thousands of people to work, repairing bridges, roads, etc. I am sure that with your sharp memory you remember that.. Now, the standard Republican excuse for its not being passed is usually something like, "Oh, it was filled with pork and that's why it wasn't passed." It probably did have pork projects in it (what bill doesn't), but it would have put thousands of Americans back to work, generating tax revenue, and helping the economy. Now, the real reason it was not passed -- and you can deny this forever, but I will not believe the denials -- is that Republicans had the stated goal of making Obama fail. In refusing to allow this bill to pass, the Republicans were only thinking about their political future, and not about the welfare of the nation. That, to me, comes very close to treason.

(If you need source citation for the statement that Republicans are on the record as having the chief goal that of making Obama fail, let me know, because I can give it. But to you I don't think this is necessary because you are well-read, intelligent and aware.)
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I know what McConnell said and they were and remain poorly chosen words, no one wants to see a president fail, they often want to see him not get some of his programs passed as they do not believe in and support those programs or ideals. They also will not want to see his reelection as people like McConnell are leaders in their parties and it would be ridiculous to expect them to support the reelection of a president of the other party.
But nobody wanted to see president Obama fail anymore than they would have wanted to see Bill Clinton fail, they wanted to see him fail to pass Obamacare maybe, or fail to pass his stimulus that did nothing that the president promised it would do...

Richard, go back 3 years ago and you will remember that it was passed, he got exactly what he asked for, shovel ready jobs, $800 billion worth, the president put Joe Biden in charge to see that the money was accounted for. The federal government put signs up all over our highways claiming jobs creation.... 2 years later the president made his infamous comment... "Seems that those shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready after all". Now the money is gone, the roads and bridges were not repaired, and he wants to sell us the same package that we already paid for using the same empty promises he used the first time around... I am glad that the republican house has stood up to such shenanigans.


Here's a memory jogger for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAOLejB4BA

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Aug 13, 2013 14:27:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
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Aug 13, 2013 21:30:07   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Shoivel ready or not, the jobs bill was blocked by Republicans. And I repeat, I think they were close to committing treason in looking after their own interests instead of the interests of the country. Our economy would be in better shape now if that bill had been passed.



Screamin Scott wrote:
Here's a read for you on those "shovel ready" jobs he spoke of...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64454.html

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Aug 13, 2013 21:38:52   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
What is most interesting here is that you have tried to shift the discussion to whether or not the jobs were "shovel ready," rather than about the impact the bill would have had sooner or later on the economy. By now, those jobs would certainly be in effect, generating tax dollars to offset some or all of their costs and making the infrastructure of this country ready for this century.


Blurryeyed wrote:
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Aug 13, 2013 22:02:38   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
What is most interesting here is that you have tried to shift the discussion to whether or not the jobs were "shovel ready," rather than about the impact the bill would have had sooner or later on the economy. By now, those jobs would certainly be in effect, generating tax dollars to offset some or all of their costs and making the infrastructure of this country ready for this century.


Richard, if you would link the particular bill or bills that you are speaking of maybe then we could have a good discussion about them, or maybe a CBO report on the bill. I am not familiar with the particular bill you are speaking of as the democrats have tried to pass a few large spending bills that they called jobs bills but I never understood how they would effectively grow our economy, but my recollection is that they were heavily laden with a bunch of spending that would not necessarily produce jobs but some people would get rich. Richard, does the government ever run out of money? Why don't you at least link some articles which explain these so called jobs bills from a neutral source, something other than NYT, Mother Jones, or Media Matters.... etc.

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Aug 13, 2013 22:28:32   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I will see what I can find. I know I have a reference to the bill in question in the book The New New Deal. I need to hunt, and right now after a day of strenuous activity I am too tired to do that. I will save it for tomorrow.



Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard, if you would link the particular bill or bills that you are speaking of maybe then we could have a good discussion about them, or maybe a CBO report on the bill. I am not familiar with the particular bill you are speaking of as the democrats have tried to pass a few large spending bills that they called jobs bills but I never understood how they would effectively grow our economy, but my recollection is that they were heavily laden with a bunch of spending that would not necessarily produce jobs but some people would get rich. Richard, does the government ever run out of money? Why don't you at least link some articles which explain these so called jobs bills from a neutral source, something other than NYT, Mother Jones, or Media Matters.... etc.
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Aug 14, 2013 00:32:50   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I made an error. I thought you, of all people, would know what the jobs bill was. This was the bill several years ago that would have put thousands of people to work, repairing bridges, roads, etc. I am sure that with your sharp memory you remember that.. Now, the standard Republican excuse for its not being passed is usually something like, "Oh, it was filled with pork and that's why it wasn't passed." It probably did have pork projects in it (what bill doesn't), but it would have put thousands of Americans back to work, generating tax revenue, and helping the economy. Now, the real reason it was not passed -- and you can deny this forever, but I will not believe the denials -- is that Republicans had the stated goal of making Obama fail. In refusing to allow this bill to pass, the Republicans were only thinking about their political future, and not about the welfare of the nation. That, to me, comes very close to treason.

[If you need source citation for the statement that Republicans are on the record as having the chief goal that of making Obama fail, let me know, because I can give it. But to you I don't think this is necessary because you are well-read, intelligent and aware.]
I made an error. I thought you, of all people, wo... (show quote)


Hey Einstein, you forgot to mention the Keystone Pipeline!

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