Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Croce, I am astounded. If you truly believe what you claim in this post to believe, then you and I have an ENORMOUS amount of agreement. I would never have guessed it. I absolutely reject your characterization of where I am coming from.

Croce Loc: Earth

As I said Richard, you are such an avowed propogandist there is no room to let outside thought in. In that regard, you and ole sarge are 2 peas in the same pod. If you just look around you may find more agreement with me and those like me here. But ... I told you ways in which you and I may agree but I doubt you could overcome the ways in which we disagree, even to the point of compromise. You have shown yourself here as an Obamist. I detest the no talent (except as an anti american pusher) scumbag. I detest his socialist medical program, I detest his hatred of achievers, I abhor his foreign policy (or lack of it) I detest his fiscal stupidity. I detest his pandering and vote buying tactics. I detest his deceptions and lies and now as of Trayvon, his demonstrated raciscm. How would you breech that difference in you and I? It would be interesting to hear.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Richard, this is the thread about the Republican Jesus, the author takes the position that the extreme fringe of the party represented by the evangelicals are representative of the republican party, their religious beliefs, and the manner in which they wish to govern this country. That is like saying that when Maxine Waters said that she wanted to nationalize the oil companies that the democratic party are all communists.

I am rather conservative and I am agnostic and often embarrassed by the fringe of the party that I vote for. I actually am creeped out by evangelicals and embarrassed that they sometimes try and speak for the republican party. I wish the party would realize that catering to them is a lost cause, it does more damage than good, at least that is my opinion. The democrats are guilty of the same type of behavior with different groups.

But anyway, this thread is not the Obamacare thread, so these remarks were directed at the article about the "Republican Jesus"

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

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Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Yes, Richard, I also think that the republican party catering to the evangelicals weakens the party in national elections because of the chilling effect it has on the all important independents... It is a balancing act the party plays, George Bush the Senior was punished by the right as many would not vote for a second term as they felt he had gone back on his promise of "read my lips". The republican party just doesn't seem to have the ability to simply not allow the separate themselves from the influence that the evangelicals have on the party, to be truthful they probably represent a larger portion of the party than I would care to admit, but I don't think that the voters are as wacked out as some of the pastors who assume the position of speaking for that wing of the party.

As far as what I said about the democrats catering to different groups of voters within their party, I will simply restate what I said earlier somewhere else today in that I think that the democratic party divides the country into different tribes and then tries to appeal to them with different programs or legislation, be it the "War on Women" the suspension of deportation of illegal immigrants, or deciding that food stamps serve as economic stimulus and therefore the waste and fraud is not as severe a problem as some say it is because supposedly for every dollar the government spends on food stamps it creates $1.84 in economic activity, its all a bunch of rubbish, supposedly the SNAP programs are funded with tax dollars which could remain in the economy and still be spent, or the government could spend that money on other programs, however in the manner that the money is spent the democrats are firming support.... And No! I am not suggesting that families or children go hungry in this country, I am suggesting that the program has become to lax, heck president Obama was even working with Mexican embassies and consulates to make sure that the undocumented in this country became aware that they could apply for food stamps.

My view is that the democratic party did not become supportive of immigration reform until they saw both the need and possibility of the Latino vote... Both Reagan and Bush tried to pass immigration reform to no avail, the republicans were not fully supportive in those efforts but had the democrats chosen to work with either of those presidents our laws would have changed, If I am not mistaken it was a democratic congress which turned away from reform during the Reagan years.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Thanks for the information and opinions. Well thought-out, as usual.

Croce Loc: Earth

Blurry, I agree with your post in its entirety. In regard to the Republicans and the evangelicals I would only add that the party never sought out these radicals. They are tantamount to being American Taliban. Once these whack jobs ensconsed themselves in the party to gain ticket acceptance the party had no way to really shed them. Now we have deteriorated to the point that our presidential elections are overrun by zealots, eg, Santorum, huckabee, Perry, Pawlenty, Bachmann and about 15 other bible screamers are attempting to deny the 1st amendment. They are hell bent to make this country a christian theocracy and are so self righteous the party is flumoxed as to what to do about them. They give no quarter. They will not go away and pester the Democrats because of the Dems stance on choice. (and many other issues) A stance I believe is correct. Until this party rejects the them outright on the basis that the first amendment guarantees freedom from as well as of, religion, and that therefore there can be no "god" plank in the platform, and removes itself from Americas bedrooms, we are history. What to do? What to do?

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Croce, I think your post is accurate. I agree.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

And that will remain a dilemma for the republican party for some time to come. What is odd is that the only social issue that the country is turning ever so slightly conservative on is the abortion issue. Personally I don't too often wade in those waters because I do understand how disruptive an unplanned pregnancy can be in a young woman's life, and I also understand that without abortion we would have many more children born into family environments that would be non supportive and not offer the structure for healthy and well rounded development. Having said that I think that there is a great difference between a 4 week pregnancy and a 20 week pregnancy, at some point during the pregnancy the fetus becomes a person and at that point the fetus's right to life supersedes the mother's right to choose... I am a firm believer in setting abortion term limits somewhere between 16 weeks.

I also know that for most women, having an abortion is a difficult decision, and for many it is a decision that follows them throughout their lives.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

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Croce Loc: Earth

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