RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

I actually believe it is too late to do anything but prolong the inevitable rising of the oceans. Thankfully due to my age I won't live to see Louisiana, Florida and most of the eastern seaboard submerged. Once the panic takes hold and we as a species will most likely kill ourselves off fighting over what's left of the dry land.

What we can do is improve the quality of life for subsequent generations by leaving the air and water cleaner than it is now.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

I think you are right.

NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary

If you say so. :roll:

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Way to go Pounder ! You must be reading the same books that I have been reading !

Here's one very "teensy-weensey" bit of so-called "climate change" that I'm familiar with;

I live in the far west side of Indiana; our electric power is 100% produced at Duke Energy's big Cayuga Power Plant on the Wabash River, about 30 miles from where I live; for 364 days every year, unless you work there, or you work for one of the big contractors that works there, you can't get closer than about 300 yards from the plant; (VERY strict security !)

But on the 365th day, (which is usually colder than you-know -what), they have what they call "Eagle Day", and you can go to the plant, drive right through the gate, (after th guard checks you driver's license very carefully), and park your car inside the gate; the crowd is usually kept fairly small by the almost always cold, nasty weather, (which is exactly why they they have it when they do)

So what does a big coal fired power plant have to do with Eagles ? Quite a lot, actually; Bald Eagles eat almost exclusively fish; there are fish in just about all rivers, but they tend to be very "spread out"; (except around big coal fired power plants); all power plants, regardless of what they burn for fuel, generate HUGE quantities of heat; (which is why all power plants are always built beside of a big river; they pump millions of gallons of water from the river through their heat exchangers, then after cooling it to a prescribed degree (which is mandated by the state), they then discharge all of this still quite warm water back into the river.

The warm water isn't what "draws" thousands of fish, (at least not directly); the warm water causes microscopic aquatic plant life to flourish, which in turn causes MILLIONS & MILLIONS of aquatic insect larve to thrive, which is why every fish for miles and miles comes to gorge on all these aquatic "bugs", and the bald eagles, being at the very top of the food chain........are smart enough to "hang around" within a few miles of the power plant, all year long ! So, before the big power plant was there, the "climate" within maybe half a mile of the power plant, was possibly a few tenths of a degree "colder" than it has been since the plant was built.

(I'm getting ahead of my story here ); Duke Energy is in my estimation, a pretty good, responsible company; they have spent large sums of money, studying all of these environmental issues; they even employ a full time wildlife biologist, whose job is to keep track of everything having to do with their thermal "impact" on the river, and after having the pleasure of meeting every one from the power plant manager, to the biologist, to the workers who grind up the coal, and feed it VERY precisely into the fire that makes all the heat, which makes all the steam, to turn the huge turbines that make ALL of MY electricity, it's very comforting to know that all the care taken at that plant, rivals that of the care taken buy the surgeons in the OR's at Union Hospital in Terre Haute, (who I have had to depend on a few times to still "be here" !)

So not quite all "climate change" is necessarily a "bad thing", (at least as long as good, responsible people who actually "care" are doing the things we all depend on.

I couldn't possibly agree more with Pounders "view" of the EPA, being a "bloated waste of money" ! For even dollar's worth of "good" they do, (if any), they SPEND a thousand dollars worth of MINE and YOUR tax dollars, (mainly so a handful of political hacks can stay in $1,000 a night hotel rooms, while "attending" million dollar "conferences" on why snowmen never seem to have children.

( As the late, great Senator Everett Drikson of Illinois once "quipped", "the Federal Government SPENDS a few million dollars here, a billion dollars there, and pretty soon, we're talking about REAL MONEY !" )

It is my carefully considered opinion, that over the last five or so years, without a doubt, the BIGGEST contributor to "global warming", has been HOT AIR..........right out of the mouth of one Barack Hussain Obama !

( Mt. Pinatuba in the Phillipines pales by comparison ! )

I'm Gitzo and I agree with everything I just said !

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Finally ! A subject I have personal experience with !
You have it more or less right again, Pounder, except for one thing; when you're undergoing treatment for cancer, there is one word you NEVER hear uttered by ANY doctor; the word is "cure" or "cured"; In fact, my urologist specifically told me, "forget "cured"........my job is to "keep you alive until you die of natural causes"; (his exact words)
The other thing about "cancer".......have any idea how many species of trees there are on earth ? (there are probably 4 times that many types of cancer); if and when they narrow it down to exactly which type of cancer YOU have........there are at leads 4 dozen different possible "outcomes" from having that particular type of tumor; and when (and if ) they ever get THAT all figured out, that very same tumor will "affect" 100 different individuals in about 99 different ways !

Doctors DON"T "cure" cancer; they "treat" it; with many different "techniques"; (of which the patient has to make the final decision about !)

And just how does one (with no experience ), hope to make a sound decision as to "which" treatment option to pursue ? It's easier than you might think; you start with having the BEST doctor you can possibly get; you then rely heavily on his experience; and you "go with what works best", (statistically), for the most patients; then you have your "decision"!

If you are ever diagnosed as having cancer, (assuming your a male), you may be very fortunate if the particular tumor afflicting you, is cancer of the prostate; just as deadly as any of the others, given enough time, but having more treatment options than most, and a higher incidence of " satisfactory outcomes"; ( none of which will ever use the word "cured".)

I was extremely fortunate; mine had a "satisfactory outcome".

And Pounder is quite right.......there are treatments that are probably worse than the initial problem.

Shutter Bugger

There are not enough hours in a day for me to always be "on time".

So if all you all would not mind, at 9:00pm GMT on the 26th
have your cars and trucks pointed east and stomp on the accelerator until you stop accelerating and then roll to a stop. The combined reaction will stop the earth spinning on its axis so fast and we will be able to enjoy longer days.

We could use a similar scheme to move the planet further from the sun to combat global warming... No problemo :)

Underwaterant

Make the Chinese stop polluting first.
There's no use others stopping if the
Chinese continue.

Dlevon Loc: New Jersey

I'm with you pounder! They seem to think we mere humans can overcome Mother Nature. Nothing we can do. It's a natural phenomenon. And is cyclical.

sourdough58 Loc: Maine

PLEASE dont give "them" any ideas.

roadshow Loc: Triad NC

You took the words out of my mouth pounder. Look at the mini freeze George Washington went through. Was that the norm or is the norm now? I believe that if you stopped all fossil fuel burning, no gas engines, not jets, no non Hydro electric damns, no furnaces and fire places. And maybe, just maybe you MIGHT but a small dent in it.

sourdough58 Loc: Maine

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Well said.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

How gullible do you think we are to believe in your climate change and what does cancer have to do with climate change? You can choose what climate you want to live in. I prefer the warmer climate myself. I hate snow.

Bri Loc: NZ

If we are going to feed a growing world population we are going to need all the CO2 we can find. Higher CO2 equals more plant growth.

ejrmaine Loc: South Carolina

I couldn't agree more.
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ejrmaine Loc: South Carolina

I couldn't agree more.
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