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Jul 11, 2013 16:53:48   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Pepper wrote:
I'm not a big Nixon supporter but Nixon is the one who finally brought our boys home and put an end to the mess.


Sounds like what Obama did in Iraq and is doing in Afghanistan.

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Jul 11, 2013 16:55:01   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
Twardlow wrote:
Everyone tosses around the word 'socialism,' not knowing that it refers to a form of government where the govt owns the means of production.

The quote below may describe what is going on in this country.

It is larger than Obama, and includes congress (especially House republicans) business CEOs, perhaps even some embers of this forum--that is, it may be a social movement of historic proportions:

Don't read it and shout; read it and think.


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Everyone tosses around the word 'socialism,' not k... (show quote)


Fascism took root during Lincoln's reign and we have had off and on bull markets of increasing Fascism since. The current crop of leaders have pushed it further, deeper and wider than ever before. The cure isn't the progressive agenda as it really goes hand in hand with all totalitarian forms of government. The cure is limited government that protects individual liberty, even from the majority when it becomes oppressive to minorities. After all, the smallest minority in the country is the individual. If one isn't for individual rights they can hardly claim they are for minority rights now can they?

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Jul 11, 2013 16:56:06   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Twardlow wrote:
Everyone tosses around the word 'socialism,' not knowing that it refers to a form of government where the govt owns the means of production.

The quote below may describe what is going on in this country.

It is larger than Obama, and includes congress (especially House republicans) business CEOs, perhaps even some embers of this forum--that is, it may be a social movement of historic proportions:

Don't read it and shout; read it and think.


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Everyone tosses around the word 'socialism,' not k... (show quote)


Here's how the Capitalist markets are faring under that terrible socialist Obama.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100879524

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Jul 11, 2013 16:58:37   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
KW Conch wrote:
Sounds like what Obama did in Iraq and is doing in Afghanistan.


Yea! Good for him. In either case you have a rather poor performing President making some good decisions. Neither man is as bad as their respective opponents make them out to be.

I'd add that by the same token neither are as good as their supporters would have you believe either.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:00:05   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Funny, I thought he was the one that brought them home...You know kinda like Obama did in Iraq...That said, that would mean Obama had some culpability for the Iraq war
KW Conch wrote:
I think a fellow named Nixon had a little role in it too. While it is true that he didn't send the first troops, he was an enthusiastic participant.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:00:49   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Spot on...
Pepper wrote:
Yea! Good for him. In either case you have a rather poor performing President making some good decisions. Neither man is as bad as their respective opponents make them out to be.

I'd add that by the same token neither are as good as their supporters would have you believe either.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:01:48   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
What about the unemployment situation & hiring?...Why didn't you reference that?
KW Conch wrote:
Here's how the Capitalist markets are faring under that terrible socialist Obama.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100879524

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Jul 11, 2013 17:08:24   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
gmcase wrote:
Fascism took root during Lincoln's reign and we have had off and on bull markets of increasing Fascism since. The current crop of leaders have pushed it further, deeper and wider than ever before. The cure isn't the progressive agenda as it really goes hand in hand with all totalitarian forms of government. The cure is limited government that protects individual liberty, even from the majority when it becomes oppressive to minorities. After all, the smallest minority in the country is the individual. If one isn't for individual rights they can hardly claim they are for minority rights now can they?
Fascism took root during Lincoln's reign and we ha... (show quote)



I don't get the Lincoln part. Why don't you clarify...

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Jul 11, 2013 17:11:20   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I'm assuming the Vietnam conflict....Oh, that was a Democratic sponsored conflict if memory serves me correctly...


Are you more concerned with who started that war, who finished it, or the 55,000 who died for a farce?

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Jul 11, 2013 17:11:55   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Hey, #'s 9 & 13 describe Obama's administration to a tee, what with him putting his cronies from Chicago in prominent positions. Plus he's in bed with Corporate America...Just look at his donors & also who he installed as the head of the Economic Advisory Panel.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:13:46   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Spot on...


If he is a poor performing president making some good decisions, why isn't he at least an average president?

Maybe just because he's Black???

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Jul 11, 2013 17:16:14   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Eisenhower installed non combatant advisers. Kennedy started the build up, which Johnson ramped up big time. Most of the casualties were during the Democratic administrations. Look it up... Nixon, wasn't any worse than any who came before or after him...He just was the one who got caught...
Twardlow wrote:
Are you more concerned with who started that war, who finished it, or the 55,000 who died for a farce?

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Jul 11, 2013 17:17:21   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Eisenhower installed non combatant advisers. Kennedy started the build up, which Johnson ramped up big time. Most of the casualties were during the Democratic administrations. Look it up... Nixon, wasn't any worse than any who came before or after him...He just was the one who got caught...




You forget much history.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:18:50   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I can't help it if you choose to ignore facts... Copied from the National archives... Nixon was president from 1969 to 1974...Kennedy started in 1961... Kennedy/Johnson years death toll was 36,947. Nixon's was 21,195

DCAS Vietnam Conflict Extract File record counts by INCIDENT OR DEATH DATE (Year) (as of April 29, 2008 )
Year of Death Number of Records

1956 - 1959


4

1960


5

1961


16

1962


53

1963


122

1964


216

1965


1,928

1966


6,350

1967


11,363

1968


16,899

1969


11,780

1970


6,173

1971


2,414

1972


759

1973


68

1974


1







Twardlow wrote:
You forget much history.

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Jul 11, 2013 17:23:44   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
What about the unemployment situation & hiring?...Why didn't you reference that?


As evidenced by the stock market, corporations are making tons of money. They are sitting on some of the biggest profits in history. They need to do the hiring. The unemployment rate is slowly declining, but is far better than the economy losing 700,000 jobs per month in the last months of Bush.

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