Destruction
Jun 10, 2013 15:34:25 #
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Jun 10, 2013 16:34:42 #
I agree, Ron K
I agree, maccardi
I agree, tibuljac
I agree, Ron K
we are starting to get some smart people on here!
I agree, maccardi
I agree, tibuljac
I agree, Ron K
we are starting to get some smart people on here!
Jun 10, 2013 21:10:53 #
Hmm. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Fantasy actually. I wonder how she came to know what he was thinking as a child. She doesn't back up her defamation. And most of it is just wrong.
For example, her story says, "Think: Have we ever heard Obama speak lovingly of the U.S. or its people, with deep appreciation and genuine respect for our history, our customs, our sufferings and our blessings?"
Well, yes we have:
"Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished." - Barack Obama
Just sayin'.
For example, her story says, "Think: Have we ever heard Obama speak lovingly of the U.S. or its people, with deep appreciation and genuine respect for our history, our customs, our sufferings and our blessings?"
Well, yes we have:
"Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished." - Barack Obama
Just sayin'.
Jun 10, 2013 21:46:45 #
If she allegedly doesn't know what he was thinking then neither do you. Therefore if her assessment is conjecutral, so is yours.
Jun 10, 2013 22:55:05 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
Ambrose wrote:
Hmm. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Fantasy actual... (show quote)
I don't think President Obama is a bad man just a bad president. BTW felt the same way about Bush the younger.
Jun 10, 2013 23:50:12 #
Ron K. wrote:
If she allegedly doesn't know what he was thinking then neither do you. Therefore if her assessment is conjecutral, so is yours.
Ron, I never claimed to know what he was thinking. I only quoted him saying exactly what she is trying to make you believe he didn't. I am not making a conjectural assessment - only stating fact against her presumption.
Jun 11, 2013 05:34:12 #
lachmap
Loc: Sydney Australia
It's very easy to make this crap up and then post it for all the nonthinkers to go "OMG so it is true!!!".
Jun 11, 2013 07:13:19 #
Ambrose wrote:
Ron, I never claimed to know what he was thinking. I only quoted him saying exactly what she is trying to make you believe he didn't. I am not making a conjectural assessment - only stating fact against her presumption.
The problem is that he did not write that speech. He reads what his advisors tell him to read. Have you ever watched him try to speak without a script?
If you listen he has demonstrated a consistent lack of understanding about this country as a whole. As time goes on I haven't been able to determine if he is getting educated in who we are or if his speech writers are getting better at telling him what to say.
None of us can say what another truly believes, we can only go by what we see in their actions. For the most part the woman's writing is on target. It is after all her opinion just like this is mine and yours is what it is.
Jun 11, 2013 07:52:51 #
ted45 wrote:
That may be a problem for another argument, but it remains fact that he said it when the article tries to say he did not. His involvement in writing it does not apply to this thread (though I'm pretty sure he was involved - it was from his acceptance speech). The problem is that he did not write that speech.
ted45 wrote:
Pretty broad stsatement. Examples?If you listen he has demonstrated a consistent lack of understanding about this country as a whole.
ted45 wrote:
It is after all her opinion just like this is mine and yours is what it is.
It's fine for anyone to express their opinion - you're right there. All I'm saying is that what she has done in the example sited is an attempt to skew the truth, and there's far too much of that going around these days (Yes, even from Obama).
Jun 11, 2013 08:10:02 #
jjwright71
Loc: Lubbock,Tx
Ambrose wrote:
but i will soon cause a jihad to stop that,HAR!Hmm. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Fantasy actual... (show quote)
Jun 11, 2013 08:36:36 #
Ambrose wrote:
It's fine for anyone to express their opinion - you're right there. All I'm saying is that what she has done in the example sited is an attempt to skew the truth, and there's far too much of that going around these days (Yes, even from Obama).
Yes, and you are doing the same thing. Examples? Haven't you heard his famous "Corpsemans" speech? Maybe the even more infamous "You didn't build it" speech? Perhaps the speech about the people of Pennsylvania "clinging to their guns and bibles"? Recently his speech trying to justify the NSA collecting data on law abiding citizens in secret. If it is such a "non-issue" why was it done in secret? He obviously has no idea how much Americans value their privacy. Again all you have to do is listen to what he says with an open mind and it is obvious that he has a limited view of what the people of this country are all about.
Jun 11, 2013 08:58:18 #
Ron K. wrote:
This says it better than I ever could:
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/scott/130301
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/scott/130301
The writer is affiliated with Alan Keye's "Renew America" organization.
Look at their web site to determine if you rely on the organization for truth and balance.
Here's another view of their recent activities:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/organizations/renew-america
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