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Nov 19, 2011 23:18:40   #
sgbrown Loc: Oklahoma
 
English_Wolf wrote:
sgbrown wrote:
I haven't been brave enough to mess with the white balance setting on my camera yet...
Then don't you do not really need to anyway, yet. Use a grey card instead ans use it as 'talon' of reference.

:-)


Gray card?

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Nov 19, 2011 23:23:17   #
Tea8 Loc: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain.
 
English_Wolf wrote:


Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything.

GO to PS, use the grey card shot to create a template and batch process all your cession pictures with it. Simplifies the workflow and let you concentrate in other things like adding a personal touch here and there...


:thumbup: I am definitely going to try that. I just brushed up in my manual on how to do a grey card shot with my camera. Hopefully with a little more practice I should be able to get it down. Thanks!

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Nov 19, 2011 23:27:15   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
From the first reference on line..
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Gray-Card-Review.aspx

You can find easier pages to read on the web and yes GRAY In the US, GREY in the UK... :shock: I learned something today!!! :shock: :mrgreen:

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Nov 19, 2011 23:35:26   #
Tea8 Loc: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain.
 
English_Wolf wrote:
From the first reference on line..
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Gray-Card-Review.aspx

You can find easier pages to read on the web and yes GRAY In the US, GREY in the UK... :shock: I learned something today!!! :shock: :mrgreen:


Awesome. Thanks for the link and I didn't know it was supposed to be gray in the US. I thought it was pretty much personal preference. I am probably more likely to use grey since I am a fan of Grey's Anatomy, but I am digressing here so I will stop.

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Nov 20, 2011 00:28:07   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Well, that is what I learned...
grAy = America
grEy = English

I now wonder what the Aussies an kiwis use... :mrgreen:
Canadians do not count, they are half french anyway. :shock:

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Nov 20, 2011 00:30:34   #
PWhisperer Loc: Allentown, PA
 
I never use a grey card or a light meter. I just eyeball it. Seems to work for me.

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Nov 20, 2011 07:04:04   #
arthur Baum
 
"Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything.
"GO to PS, use the grey card shot to create a template and batch process all your cession pictures with it. Simplifies the workflow and let you concentrate in other things like adding a personal touch here and there..."

"thumbup: I am definitely going to try that. I just brushed up in my manual on how to do a grey card shot with my camera. Hopefully with a little more practice I should be able to get it down. Thanks!"
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no need to do all that. if you have photoshop, just follow the instructions and add some color.





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Nov 20, 2011 08:45:51   #
ephraim Imperio
 
Tea8 wrote:
Val wrote:
Well if the wall behind the musicians is green, then the white balance is ok. I am guessing there may be a green can light lighting the stage casting that green hue though.


Really you see that much green? Maybe I need to reset my monitor or something because the wall looks white on mine. There was no lighting at all except the fluorescent lighting for the gym area where this group was playing. I do see a little green on the side of his face.


According to the Strobist website and i quote:
"Traditional fluorescent light is green. About 30 color correction units of green, to be exact" To avoid this color cast, you can do either of two things: place your camera's white balance to "fluorescent mode" or place a 30cc window green gel on your flash. This will make the flash light match that of a traditional fluorescent environment. Hope this helps!
effie imperio

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Nov 20, 2011 08:50:18   #
PWhisperer Loc: Allentown, PA
 
English_Wolf said: "Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything."

Spoken like a true photographer. Ugh !

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Nov 20, 2011 09:20:52   #
ephraim Imperio
 
PWhisperer wrote:
English_Wolf said: "Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything."

Spoken like a true photographer. Ugh !


In photography there are various ways to "skin a cat"

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Nov 20, 2011 09:33:25   #
PWhisperer Loc: Allentown, PA
 
ephraim Imperio wrote:
PWhisperer wrote:
English_Wolf said: "Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything."

Spoken like a true photographer. Ugh !


In photography there are various ways to "skin a cat"


I rekkin it depends on what u aspire to be. If u want to be a GWC (guy/girl with a camera) u shoot in auto. If you want to be a photographer u shoot in manual. Anyone, even a monkey, can point a lens at a subject and pull the trigger, letting the camera decide on the settings. Photographers put thought and skill into an image.

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Nov 20, 2011 10:18:21   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
Well I have to disagree. Last month I threw away copies of "DOS for Dummies" and "Real Men use DOS" because Windows technology has made using a computer easier and much less time consuming. Misspell ONE thing in DOS and you're screwed...The same holds true for Digital Photography. Since no one is perfect it makes sense to take advantage of anything you deem necessary to preserve that picture, and if it doesn't come out exactly perfect you can use the tools available to make it presentable....hard to do in film days.
PWhisperer wrote:
ephraim Imperio wrote:
PWhisperer wrote:
English_Wolf said: "Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything."

Spoken like a true photographer. Ugh !


In photography there are various ways to "skin a cat"


I rekkin it depends on what u aspire to be. If u want to be a GWC (guy/girl with a camera) u shoot in auto. If you want to be a photographer u shoot in manual. Anyone, even a monkey, can point a lens at a subject and pull the trigger, letting the camera decide on the settings. Photographers put thought and skill into an image.
quote=ephraim Imperio quote=PWhisperer English_W... (show quote)

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Nov 20, 2011 10:20:25   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
Tea8 wrote:
Hey Everyone!
I have been reading about white balance on here for use under flourescent lighting in a gym and today I had the chance to test it out. How does the white balance look in the pic below? Is it alright? I took this with my Nikon P500, Comments and Critiques please. (I took this as a test shot to know whether or not I was close to having white balance down, so it is not supposed to look perfect)


I'm not familiar with this camera but a quick Google check on the specs shows it has an Auto and Manual White balance setting. You might check your manual and see how this works. Taking pictures indoors under different lighting conditons can present challenging white balance issues. I took your picture and opened it in Adobe Camera Raw and corrected the white balance. I posted a split version of the before and after correction. Another thing I might mention here is if you are going to get involved in post processing of you pictures you should seriously consider working on a calibrated monitor to insure the correct color balance. Hope this helps. Keep Shooting and have fun!!



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Nov 20, 2011 10:24:26   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Well, that is what I learned...
grAy = America
grEy = English

I now wonder what the Aussies an kiwis use... :mrgreen:
Canadians do not count, they are half french anyway. :shock:


Eh?

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Nov 20, 2011 10:40:24   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
arthur Baum wrote:
"Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before every shoot, use a 12% grey card and shoot it in full auto, no need to bother with custom anything.
"GO to PS, use the grey card shot to create a template and batch process all your cession pictures with it. Simplifies the workflow and let you concentrate in other things like adding a personal touch here and there..."

"thumbup: I am definitely going to try that. I just brushed up in my manual on how to do a grey card shot with my camera. Hopefully with a little more practice I should be able to get it down. Thanks!"
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no need to do all that. if you have photoshop, just follow the instructions and add some color.
"Now, if you want a REALLY good tip... before... (show quote)


Funny that you folks only think of post processing and not that you can learn to do things right in the first place, go ahead, recommend programs that require almost a college course to learn stuff you do not need.

When you folks understand that PS is a designer program? If you want the photo stuff either get light room (organization) or photo element (photograph editing). Both are subset of PS and do the job right AND you do not need to get a second master in design to use them.

Most of you would not be able to be behind a lens and take any decent pictures a few years ago because you could not afford the cost of it. The rule at the time was 'get it right or go away'. Were you half way serious you would understand that this rule still applies if you really want to learn.

Learn your camera strength and weaknesses, learn the basic of photography, learn the basics of composition, learn the basics of lighting and most of all learn that a good photograph does not need help. The product needs to stand as is, w/o post processing.

So post-processing as a remedy to all the errors made because many are too lazy to learn right in the first place? It is a freaking joke. Post processing should be reserved to the few who have a vision that needs an extra help because the media cannot alone cannot do it. A good example was on display a few days ago, the forum on welding photography. THAT was a good job.

If you REALLY want to learn stop using crutches or walking aids. Stand on your own and start walking.

For those who think they know? stop giving goofy help and start learning yourself, you seriously need it. You have no eyes, no vision, nothing but you are extremely good at giving advice and discouraging those that want to learn to do it right.

Am I abrasive here? YES.
Condescending? No. making a point that learning right is the only way to progress and become excellent photographers. I see many who have potential if only they were given the right guidance. Post processing and the like ain't it.

Practice, practice and practice again. That is the key. (AND you can afford it now a day.)

When I see folks here who say: "Oh! I did not know, let me go out, I'll try that." It makes me happy. They will learn EVEN more as they will make mistakes and learn to correct them on their own, during their experimentation. THOSE FOLKS WILL WALK TALL AMONG US. They will be able to scream gleefully 'See mom? no hands!' while we still have your training wheels.

Why the WE instead of YOU? because this technology (digital) is new and I am still learning it. I have the rest as I learned a long to 'get it right' but pulling every last bit of information out of my camera? that is another story.

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