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Apr 30, 2013 11:34:15   #
luloral
 
Idiots? Not. Most people don't understand photography or don't think about it when planning. The groom is a lifelong friend of my family.
The wedding is small. No bridesmaids. The bride has been married before. The groom has not. Doing the photos IS my gift to them. I have to travel 5 hours to the site and stay two nights. I do have reflectors and CP's. Great ideas. I love the getting in the water idea to shoot east. Super! I will do some test shoots. Thanks for the ideas folks!

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Apr 30, 2013 11:40:37   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
luloral wrote:
Idiots? Not. Most people don't understand photography or don't think about it when planning. The groom is a lifelong friend of my family.
The wedding is small. No bridesmaids. The bride has been married before. The groom has not. Doing the photos IS my gift to them. I have to travel 5 hours to the site and stay two nights. I do have reflectors and CP's. Great ideas. I love the getting in the water idea to shoot east. Super! I will do some test shoots. Thanks for the ideas folks!
Idiots? Not. Most people don't understand photogr... (show quote)


You are a good friend, but if this is a gift, wouldn't it be less pressure if you offered to hire a professional for him? This way you could enjoy the wedding too. Don't let your ego get in the way of this generous gift.

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Apr 30, 2013 12:03:22   #
luloral
 
Trust me, ego is not an issue, not even close. Just asking advice.

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Apr 30, 2013 12:24:35   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
Ralloh wrote:
Just my two cents worth, but, in the best of circumstances a wedding should have a professional photographer with years of experience. Some one who instinctively knows how to handle different conditions. I certainly am not there and would never consider possibly blowing someone's special day.

With that said, if you go through with this, try doing a lot of practicing in conditions you feel you will be dealing with. See if you can't get your skill level up to par. Start now and do it for a month. If you are still uncertain what to do, it would give them time to find someone else.
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I agree, but perhaps since this is the bride's second wedding, she'll have to compromise a little. Weddings are big business these days!

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Apr 30, 2013 12:32:46   #
luloral
 
mdorn wrote:
I agree, but perhaps since this is the bride's second wedding, she'll have to compromise a little. Weddings are big business these days!


I guess she will then. Thanks for all your "help".

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Apr 30, 2013 12:51:42   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
luloral wrote:
I need advice from those more experienced than I. I have agreed to shoot a small wedding in Michigan. It will be in September on the beach of Lake Michigan. I just found out will take place at 3 pm and the ceremony being right on the water will pose a difficult situation for me. I will be shooting right into a west afternoon 3 pm autumn sun. How will I keep from losing detail in the ceremony and not blow the background out. I can't imagine in my head how to do this successfully shooting this into the sun.
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Here is a quick common-sense reference:

http://www.adorama.com/alc/0008506/article/100-in-100-Part-II-Backlight-mode

I would add: Lens shade to avoid direct sun hitting lens. Underexpose duplicate shots. Fill flash or use reflector. Shoot without filter and repeat with hand-held neutral-density filter. (Doubt that polarizing filter will do very much in your situation).
If feasible, have sun completely out of the picture or obstructed from view by your main subject.

One of several references to hand-held ND filters:
http://www.singh-ray.com/grndgrads.html

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Apr 30, 2013 13:31:33   #
luloral
 
Thank you so much for the article. I have a singh ray grad but need to also get the darker one @ 3 stop :-P

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Apr 30, 2013 14:40:36   #
Larrie Loc: NE Ohio
 
luloral wrote:
Idiots? Not. Most people don't understand photography or don't think about it when planning. The groom is a lifelong friend of my family.
The wedding is small. No bridesmaids. The bride has been married before. The groom has not. Doing the photos IS my gift to them. I have to travel 5 hours to the site and stay two nights. I do have reflectors and CP's. Great ideas. I love the getting in the water idea to shoot east. Super! I will do some test shoots. Thanks for the ideas folks!
Idiots? Not. Most people don't understand photogr... (show quote)

Actually you were quite sharp in recognising the problems you will have with your available light now. Many dullards wouldn't have given ambient light a thought until the day of the shoot! The lateness of the day coupled with a setting sun can also be a blessing if you are prepared and imaginative.

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Apr 30, 2013 15:09:49   #
Kingmapix Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Recommend you find a better location for your formal shots.
Can you also sneak in the background behind a minister for a couple of shots without much disruption (like standing in the water up to your waist)? Ha Ha, what we photographers do for that perfect shot.

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Apr 30, 2013 18:12:16   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Off camera flash is probably the way to go. Several options how to get there, from relatively inexpensive to expensive.

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Apr 30, 2013 19:49:00   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
You have received several good technical suggestions. Having just shot my first wedding two weeks ago for my nephew and his bride, the one suggestion I will make that hasn’t been mentioned yet is to have fun. You already have an advantage because the groom is a friend. If you are having a good time and enjoying yourself, they will be more relaxed for the pictures and you will get better and more natural expressions. Though I know the pros may be more assured each image will be properly exposed than I was, I took enough photos that I got plenty with the right exposure and some unique facial expressions as well.

I also told the minister I was not a pro and asked if he had any restrictions he wanted me to follow. He was very appreciative that I had asked and told me he preferred no flash during the ceremony. Beyond that, he tried to make it as easy as possible for me including moving up a few steps so I could get behind and at an angle to him so I could get shots of their faces during the ceremony. He also gave me time to move from behind them to the head of the aisle between the chairs so I could get all the parties in the recessional. I don’t know if this affects you or not but I also told the DJ at the reception that I was not a pro and told him I would appreciate any advice he had for me as well. He told me he would make sure I was there and ready to shoot before he started any of the important events of the reception. He even had the bride and groom do a fake toss of the bouquet/garter so I could get a shot of them “tossing” and then recompose to get a shot of the catching on the real toss. Both of these gentlemen treated me very respectfully and knew that I was doing the best I could to capture the event for the bride and groom.

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Apr 30, 2013 20:16:46   #
luloral
 
It sounds like you did a marvelous job and took everything into consideration. That is a lucky bride and groom to have you as a photographer. Some very good information you have posted to think about. I have my work cut out for me and I do think it will also be fun. Thank you so much for your kind response.

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Apr 30, 2013 20:18:31   #
A10 Loc: Southern Indiana
 
A bellows filter holder can be used a a giant lens shade and prevent lens flare.

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Apr 30, 2013 20:23:06   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
luloral wrote:
It sounds like you did a marvelous job and took everything into consideration. That is a lucky bride and groom to have you as a photographer. Some very good information you have posted to think about. I have my work cut out for me and I do think it will also be fun. Thank you so much for your kind response.

You are very welcome, from one Michigander to another. I was born and raised in Bay City and lived in Saginaw for 5 years before moving to Houston back in the '80s. The line going around then was, "Last one to leave, please turn out the lights." :D

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Apr 30, 2013 20:54:36   #
sidney Loc: London.Eng.
 
Just shoot for daylight with your flash on !

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