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Apr 1, 2017 16:16:59   #
amfoto1 wrote:
This is incorrect.

Elements is fully capable of handling a RAW file and does so with the same Adobe Camera Raw converter that Lightroom and Photoshop use. When you're working on a RAW file in Elements it's in 16-bit mode.

The only difference is that Elements cannot SAVE a converted file in 16-bit mode (such as a TIFF). For most peoples' uses, this doesn't matter. They don't really need a TIFF (or other file type that supports 16-bit). The 8-bit JPEG that Elements is able to create is fine for printing or online display or sharing via email, etc. etc. In fact, many printing services prefer an 8-bit JPEG... some even refuse to work with TIFFs or anything else. An sRGB color space is also what's normally used (recommended for online display).

A pro might need TIFF for a customer and/or CMYK color space for commercial printing purposes (i.e., printing presses of various types). But many of them still work with 8-bit JPEGs a lot of the time, to saves space and makes for faster image transfers. And, at times it might be desirable to save a file in 16-bit form, to come back to and do additional editing later.

Many inkjet printers can handle 16-bit files... but the only difference is that the print job will run slower than an 8-bit file. The end result won't be any better.

Your eye can't distinguish the difference in a finished image. 8-bit is already more colors than you can distinguish visually.

16-bit is important while doing image edits and adjustments. And Elements can and does do that, same as Lightroom and Photoshop. As with them, you simply work with your camera's RAW files (note: most DSLRs shoot 14-bit or 12-bit, but the files are interpolated as 16-bit by the software). The reason is a much greater range of colors to work from. 8-bit's 16.8 million colors seems an awful lot, until you consider that the 16-bit palette has 237 trillion discrete colors to work with.

So, for most people the "8-bit limitation" of Elements is actually a non-issue.

In a lot of ways, Elements is also more of a stand-alone, complete organizer and editor than Lightroom. For example, Lightroom cannot work in layers, such as might be used for selective edits. Photoshop and Elements can.... it's sort of a light version of Lightroom and Photoshop combined. Elements and Photoshop both have much more precise clone and healing tools than Lightroom, too. If you want to remove a complex object or combine multiple images in any way, it's impossible in LR. You'll need Elements or PS. There are other things that the editing programs can do, that Lightroom can't.

Lightroom is a powerful organizer and archive management tool... with minimal, quick image editing features. Photoshop is a powerful image editor... with little or no organizing and management capabilities. The two are designed to complement each other and - although some people manage with just one or the other - most people who use them need both. Photoshop is now only offered via subscription. Adobe no longer supports CS6, the last version of Photoshop that was available with a perpetual license. This means it won't be updated with new features found in PS CC and that it cannot support RAW files from newer cameras. That's no problem if you don't need the new features and use an up-to-date version of Lightroom 6 to convert the RAW, prior to passing it off to PS CS6. But if you don't already have PS CS6 (or an earlier version of PS CSx) that is adequate for your purpose), you pretty much have to subscribe to the package that includes both LR CC and PS CC.

Or, just buy Elements 15, if you don't need or want the extensive capabilities and the steep learning curve oof the LR and CC combo. Elements also has built-in learning modes for beginners. It offers three user-selectable interfaces: Beginner, Intermediate and Expert. You can start with one and advance to the other or switch back and forth any time you wish. Neither LR nor PS has any sort of built in support... so figure on taking classes or a series of online tutorials and buying a bunch of books to learn to use them well. There are "how to" books for Elements too, that might help initially, although you may be able to just jump in and start using it in one of its more supported modes.

There are many online comparisons of Lightroom versus Elements versus Photoshop.... Beware though, that they are talking about current versions. For example, https://photographylife.com/lightroom-vs-photoshop-elements/ is discussing Elements 11... and a heck of a lot has been added since that version (Adobe has a side-by-side comparison of version features on their website). Elements 15 is far cry from versions five or more years ago.

Photoshop is now available by CC subscription only.

Lightroom is available either by CC subscription or as a perpetually licensed version ($142).

Elements is only available as a perpetually licensed version ($80.... currently there's an offer that included Premiere for videos at no additional cost).

Any of them can be downloaded free from the Adobe website, for a 30-day trial. That might be enough time to test drive Elements or Lightroom (one at a time, I'd suggest)... but isn't anywhere near enough time to get started with Photoshop. I'd only suggest the Photoshop 30-day trial for fairly experienced users of earlier versions of PS.
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Thanks for your very detail explanation..
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Apr 1, 2017 16:15:01   #
Edia wrote:
I have PSE and Paintshop Pro. I use both for PP. Paintshop Pro Ultimate is as powerful as PS and Lightroom. It does 16 bit color and takes all the PS add-ons. Aftershot is like lightroom and also takes all the add-ons. I find that PSE is easier to use for bringing my raw photos into my computer and for sending the finished photos to social media and email. That being said, I would still go with Paintshop Pro Ultimate because of it's power in post processing.

Thanks Edia...
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Mar 31, 2017 15:32:31   #
romanticf16 wrote:
Elements is designed to work with 8 or 16 bit jpeg images, not RAW files.

Oh.. I didn't know it.. Thanks for the information.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:27:36   #
Reinaldokool wrote:
Add Affinity Photo to your list. It has several advantages over either. Like PSE, it uses a similar user interface. It is more layer centric than PSE (ThoughPSE is somewhat layer oriented). Some of the Affinity tools are better than Photoshop. For example, the Inpainting Brush Tool works better than the PS healing brush tools.

Corel PSP is not a bad option, but the user interface is very different and has a longer learning curve.

Affinity has a longer history on Mac, but it has been out for Windows for a few months and I have found no bugs so far. I am a many years user of Photoshop, but I've fallen in love with a younger software. BTW. I use Faststone Viewer for organizing my images as it will feed directly to Affinity.
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How can I feed a photo directly to Affinity?
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Mar 30, 2017 17:29:22   #
Reinaldokool wrote:
Add Affinity Photo to your list. It has several advantages over either. Like PSE, it uses a similar user interface. It is more layer centric than PSE (ThoughPSE is somewhat layer oriented). Some of the Affinity tools are better than Photoshop. For example, the Inpainting Brush Tool works better than the PS healing brush tools.

Corel PSP is not a bad option, but the user interface is very different and has a longer learning curve.

Affinity has a longer history on Mac, but it has been out for Windows for a few months and I have found no bugs so far. I am a many years user of Photoshop, but I've fallen in love with a younger software. BTW. I use Faststone Viewer for organizing my images as it will feed directly to Affinity.
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I am trying with windows trial version now... This editor seems to be more than enough what I need... I will play with this for a while.. Thanks
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Mar 30, 2017 17:26:23   #
Linary wrote:
You should add "Affinity Photo" to your shortlist. Very capable piece of software for editing raw and jpg files, but NO organiser. See other threads in UHH for some reviews.

Reinaldokool posted a few seconds before me - different words, same conclusion.

I just got Affirnity Windows trial version to test it. It seems to be more complex editor than Faststone. I will try it for a while. Thanks for letting me know Affirnity...
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Mar 30, 2017 17:24:02   #
My budget would be less than $100. So Lightroom 6 is bit over my buget. But thanks for your recommention though...
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Mar 30, 2017 13:29:27   #
I used to shoot Raw file with Nikon D750 and am looking for a RAW file format editor.
I am thinking about PS Element 15 or Paintshop Pro X9 Ultimate.
Only my short experience for PP is with Faststone Image View. But I want to start with more powerful software
Please help me to decide which one is better choice for me to start with.
Thanks in advance for your shares and advices.
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Feb 8, 2017 07:39:17   #
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Jan 26, 2017 14:57:30   #
Once I set as you explained, if I hit FN button, then AE Lock is not staying. Am I right? If I choose AE Lock only(HOLD) option, then it locked Exposure even though I release FN button after I hit it. Is this right for Nikon D750 or D7200? Thanks
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Jan 16, 2017 13:16:53   #
Thanks for your recommendation.
camerapapi wrote:
I shoot with two Olympus cameras, the EPL-1 and the EP-5. Both are very good with the technological advances going to the EP-5 which is a more modern camera.
The EM-1 I have read is a very good body. There have been issues with the viewfinder that I am not aware of so I cannot make any comments in that respect. The images I have seen from it and I have seen many are impressive when good glass was used.
If you are going to buy the camera I recommend that you contact Olympus America and ask them about those issues and what type of support could you get from them if you happen to buy a body that have them.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:15:36   #
Thanks for sharing your experience.
banjoboy wrote:
I moved from a Nikon D7100 to the EM1 in October, picking up on the $1300 combo with the 12-40mm f2.8 Pro lens with the intention of eventually moving to the EM1 Mk II. I was surprised by the quality of the images, although they are not as good as the Nikon in low light. Focus was never an issue except in low light, but then the Nikon could have trouble there too. The only issue I had with the EVF was the "choppiness" (refresh rate, I guess) when following a moving subject - something I don't do very often. I was very pleased with it since it fulfilled my "lower weight/smaller size" objectives. I ended up jumping to the MK II earlier than expected, but it wasn't because I didn't like the EM1 - in fact, it was that experience that convinced me I could live with M43 and the Olympus.

Comment on an earlier post in this thread - the "preview" lag can be decreased or eliminated by changing a setting in the menus. Those menus are where you will spend your time learning the Olympus. On the plus side, you can reconfigure almost all the buttons and switches so that it becomes your camera, with every function exactly where you want it.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:55:36   #
They are gorgeous images taken by both Nikon and Olympus. Thanks for sharing.
Jerrin1 wrote:
I currently own a Nikon D500 and an Olympus EM1 mark II. Prior to buying the mark II I had 2 x EM1 bodies + 6 lenses, including an Olympus 300mm f4 PRO + 1.4 TC and a PanaLeica 100 - 400mm f4/6.3. If you care to view my post titled "Wildlife photography - my perfect gear", you will see a number of images taken with my EM1's plus the above lenses, compared to my D500 + Nikkor 300mm f4 PF VR. The Oly 12 - 40mm f2.8 PRO and 40 - 150mm f2.8 PRO and 60mm f2.8 macro are also excellent lenses.
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Jan 15, 2017 13:23:29   #
Thanks... I learned it now..
moonhawk wrote:
PS: When you reply to someone, please hit "Quote reply" so we know to whom you are responding.
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Jan 15, 2017 13:05:34   #
Thanks for your experience sharing and suggestion..
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