As originally typed the first “bullet” said that the interface with LrC differed from that with Bridge or Ps… But the word “Catalog” crept in there. Since catalog is toxic in this forum I replaced it with that nonsense.

I used to automatically apply all updates but some time years back Adobe replaced the entire Import dialog with hosed, technical term, with a virtually useless replacement. For a while I checked out all updates on a second machine before installing on my good machine. Just like our EIT folks did with say CAD software used every day by hundreds of designers. Lately I delay updates until The Lightroom Queen gives the OK. And I always update LrC first because it asks every time you open with an update pending.

Interesting question. Here are my observations pertinent to the discussion:

— ACR is not a stand alone program. It is hard to understand what update means in that case.
— I seem to think that LrC and Ps always appear in the monthly updates.
— I don’t remember ACR appearing on the selection list before the last year or so?
— When I update I click LrC first after which ACR goes updated. Then I click Ps last. So I assume ACR updates whenever LrC or Ps are updated.

Since I can’t until January could someone (Windows user preferably) see it there is an ACR.exe file somewhere and report what the path to it is. And does it have an icon or just a generic one. Lastly double click on it to see if it will open alone.

There absolutely is a trade off. After you work through the physics and mathematics of the signal to noise ratio the dynamic range, which we see that ISO performance increases as the area of the individual pixel increases. So given your camera at the same sensor generation, at the same temperature (thermal noise dominates) and not very low light levels (where shot noise dominates) 61 MP has 1/3 stop worse noise performance less than 36 MP and 2/3 stop worse than 19 MP. Is that about what you see?

Check out what The Lightroom Queen said in her monthly newsletter that came today.
https://mailchi.mp/lightroomqueen/newsletter-december-2023?e=6e4f445886
If you didn’t know she doesn’t work for or speak for Adobe. But has very deep connections inside and knows what is going on and provides reliable reports and analysis.

My cop out is to think it is a system. You can’t separate contributions into hardware vs software. It doesn’t work that way.

Your grandfather looks like a devilish fun loving dude. Did you inherit any of those traits.

Haven’t you described the the majority of this forum?

Just kidding! ——— Or am I? 🤫

Matt also harps on the known useless web, slideshow… modules but I don’t think many use those anyway.

He also states that if you keep older functions as you update you will wind up with bloated confusing software. He shouldn’t talk about Ps that way.

If one is unable to use the catalog perhaps he shouldn’t advertise that.

The OS is not used to implement the data base which is SQLite a free open source compiled in under a GPL license. You can only tell who is uses SQLite if they apply for an export license but the published list is long and includes Apple, Microsoft, many Linux systems, TurboTax… the major limitation is it is single user which of course eliminates needing an IT function to manage permissions. So don’t worry about that.

I also saw Matt’s discussion and even bought his “course” and am disappointed in him. I have always enjoyed his teaching style and learned much from him. It is true that the “local” browser interface is an alternative to Bridge plus ACR. But he gleefully predicts the elimination of the database capabilities of Lightroom Classic because he hasn’t appreciated a use for it. He joins the community of naysayers who couldn’t or wouldn’t understand a use for it even the the reason for it’s existence is to add the missing management functionally to Lightroom hence the name Photoshop Lightroom used through at least Lr 4.0. I originally bought Lr because of the database. I suspect he would dismiss my opinions as an insignificant minority of Lrs users no worthy of consideration and eventually eliminate support of Classic.

I see what Adobe is doing and don’t believe we have anything to worry about. Matt’s view of a workflow is that a shot is ephemeral and you download and either cull it immediately or post process it and either cull or prepare for viewing. Done. My photography is to record life births, family celebrations, people, places and events. And, yes, vacations (including the equivalent of the dreaded vacation slides). Subjects of interest to me not intending to inflict them on strangers. I do want to create well composed, well exposed and in focus photos without distractions. Yes, I do cull duplicates and out of focus shots but I do keep shots for which I have no immediate need. For example, photos of Loch Ness which were not photogenic just in case I were find a monster in there. Generative fill? At any rate I use the catalog and collections and I don’t find it complex at all. He like others feel that you must keep images in folders and look for them there which in not a rational requirement. You can browse collection just as you browse folders. You can have any photo appear in multiple collections where if you edit from anywhere you edit all. If you want multiple versions you can make a virtual copy without copying the large original. All features I use extensively. I would have to go through some mental gymnastics to conclude it does’t matter and at 82 I don’t do gymnastics of any kind. I used to approach Lightroom (No Class) like I approach a rattlesnake because I can’t imagine editing w/o a Wacom tablet. I do 3x1 to 5x1 panos for wide angle without motion. And I don’t see if that is included. So… I’m out.

I can’t see Adobe dropping Classic. Since the Library hasn't changed much since at least 3.0 that I know so that is zero cost to maintain. And if as claimed the develop is identical to ACR The Lightrooms should easily sync. Adobe should how many customers they would tick off that would have lawyers.

Thanks, I get it now. Duh

Great!
Could tell me what d/I means?

The centerline is about 100’ off shore of our camp in Henderson Bay. The afternoon sun is high in the sky with a clear shot free of trees. I had removed a couple of trees to facilitate a wall to prevent erosion during record high water levels. They were ash which are going to dye anyway.

Now what do you suppose the odds of a clear sky are? I take comfort in the notion that sky is more likely to be clear over Lake Ontario.

I have no idea how long you have been married but you do know your spouse knows more about you than you do? And you know more about her… So if you carefully apply that knowledge you just might be allowed to live.

There is a really good app for this sort of thing called PhotoPills. It very cheap when I bought it a few years ago now it sounds like maybe $10. The App Store won’t tell you the current price if you have previously paid. It even shows you what the eclipse looks like as you move time around. Probably worthwhile and, of course, there may be others.