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Dec 13, 2023 23:39:05   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!

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Dec 13, 2023 23:42:03   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
With my gear and software, it is both.

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Dec 14, 2023 01:38:50   #
pmorin Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


It has been my observation that all electronics need programming of some sort to work properly. You need improvement in each aspect of the process.

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Dec 14, 2023 02:13:57   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


Some of each.

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Dec 14, 2023 06:09:29   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
If you attribute everything that happens in the camera to the hardware column, then i would say 75% hardware, 25%software.

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Dec 14, 2023 07:28:02   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Both.
New hardware requires new supporting software.

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Dec 14, 2023 08:48:50   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


Both, although the absolute superior results begin with superior exposure technique performed by the photographer (human) using their camera, then processing the results.

This link looks at some older images, now almost 4 years ago, for ISO-5000 and links to other groups of images at ISO-4000 and ISO-3200. Those were the limits of the cameras involved at that time. New models being sold now are offer even high ISO possibilities.

Shooting at high ISOs (ISO-5000)

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Dec 14, 2023 09:02:14   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


Both, from consumer observation.
I could not give tech details though.

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Dec 14, 2023 09:34:48   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


YES!

EVERYTHING has improved since the first promising digital sensors were created in the labs about 40 years ago.

The whole industry has grown up. It has seen exponential changes in computing power, sensor density, sensitivity, and performance. The firmware and software have all been refined iteratively. So we all benefit from this collective, continuous improvement.

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Dec 14, 2023 09:35:02   #
ELNikkor
 
One reason an upgrade every 10-12 years might be beneficial, even if the old equipment still works.

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Dec 14, 2023 09:41:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ELNikkor wrote:
One reason an upgrade every 10-12 years might be beneficial, even if the old equipment still works.


In the computer industry, five to seven years is probably more appropriate. Operating systems and software advance quickly and require more advanced hardware to run efficiently.

My current camera still works fine, but it is a ten year old design I bought eight years ago. I'll be upgrading soon. The recent advances have been too substantial to ignore.

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Dec 14, 2023 09:42:17   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
ELNikkor wrote:
One reason an upgrade every 10-12 years might be beneficial, even if the old equipment still works.



That's my schedule.
Each new model is just a slight upgrade usually. Some makers could just do a firmware update but make a new model with and older sensor but new firmware
So after 10-12 years you actually see a difference.

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Dec 14, 2023 12:10:14   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
If a camera comes out that doesn't have a brand new sensor but does have a new processor, it will be a significant upgrade because of the superior in-camera processing that the newer processor will allow. OTOH sensor design is constantly being refined and at the present time a new sensor also usually means a significant upgrade. That will be especially true when stacked photodiode sensors start to become available in new cameras. Global shutters increase a camera's usefulness but stacked photodiodes are a significant improvement as far as image quality is concerned.

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Dec 14, 2023 12:36:25   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Maybe some of you folks can answer this: as digital photography has progressed over the years, high iso image quality has improved dramatically. Has it been a result of improved sensor technology, improved software or some of each? I’m just curious. Thanks!


I worked for Texas Instruments for a number of years in the last century. My group built several families of TTL logic building block circuits. There were hard limits on how fast those circuits could "switch" from one state to another, which put hard limits on how fast systems built with them could operate. Each new family we introduced over the years introduced changes that allowed for faster operation of the individual circuits and the syatems they were used to build. Those changes were 100% hardware.

During that time, I had a friend who worked for Western Electric. He was a really cool guy from Switzerland who was full of all kinds of stories. But one of the coolest things about him was that he had a patent related to sending data over a twisted pair telephone line. One of the assertions (with technical support) in that patent was that such data could never be sent any faster than 1200 baud (events per second) via twisted pair. You can imagine his despair when Hayes introduced their 2400 baud SmartModem which operated over a standard telephone line. That was done mostly with software.

Just so you know, USB communication, which is faster than several million baud, is also via twisted pair. That's accomplished with a combination of hardware and software. Some of each of which is really, really close to magic.

So sometimes it is hardware, sometimes software. Usually the requirement is for innovative hardware which can serve as a foundation for innovative software.

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Dec 14, 2023 13:44:39   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
both, but mostly the improvement in hardware.

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