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Jan 22, 2017 16:03:37   #
rmalarz wrote:
Paul, I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this image. However, I have to go along with the concept as you posted it.

You certainly accomplished a mood with this image. The lack of contrast does well with the blending of the subtle shades of the subject with that of the background. Compositionally you placed the eyes near 1/3 from the top of the image and centered the figure in a very menacing and foreboding manner, which fits well the tonal quality of the entire image. The ability to be able to just make out the eyes staring straight at the viewer adds even more to the strength of the image. Quite well done.
--Bob
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Thanks so much for your observations Bob. I actually called the piece "menace".

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Jan 22, 2017 15:14:15   #
Gene51 wrote:
Brings to mind the old Will Rogers quote,

"When I die I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."


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Jan 22, 2017 15:09:13   #
Apaflo wrote:
There is no need for "permission". It's part of what is known as "Fair Use" in copyright law. That applies here because this is a discussion about the image, which makes it an "editorial" use.

One member likes to post images from my web page into discussions on UHH... Think about that!


I'm not going to get into an off topic argument here. If you have something else to add along these lines PM me. Thanks.
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Jan 22, 2017 15:07:13   #
minniev wrote:
Actually, we do (usually) ask permission on FYC. We are not afraid of being arrested by some copyright police or anything, it's mainly just trying to be respectful of each other, and be consistent with the rules of UHH as stated by the site admin. We're a pretty friendly bunch, so if we slip up and forget to ask, it generally works out anyway.

I have a line in my signature giving blanket permission for anyone to edit my images for the purpose of discussion, as it helps me visualize what they are explaining, but everyone's different and I try to follow the wishes of the OP.
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Well said.
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Jan 22, 2017 13:56:25   #
It's exciting that the image has caused such good thoughts and conversations. This is what art is all about. Thank you all, very sincerely.

paul
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Jan 22, 2017 12:22:39   #
So nicely done. What was your light source Rob?
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Jan 22, 2017 12:17:06   #
trc wrote:
Thank you pt for your words of explanation. As I had said, I think it is an intriguing shot. Your original you posted seems too dark in the face in all honesty. Frank's version is much better, but I feel the man in the shot is still wearing a mask around his eyes, kind of like Zorro or The Lone Ranger.

Also, because I have taken a lot of portrait shots, the extreme brightness of the whites of his eyes just is opposite of what I was trained to do, but I realize this is not meant as a portrait - just an innate feeling I get when I look at Frank's rendition. Just a tad more lighting around his eyes and face just seems to be appropriate to me.

Thanks for posting, and it is interesting to read the various comments by all, and especially those made by the two different genders.

Best Regards,
Tom
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Thanks Tom. Yeah definitely not a portrait. Just an "art piece". It is interesting to read the thoughts and perceptions of others.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:33:48   #
minniev wrote:
Interesting and well-conceived "dark-side" image. I think the versions that lighten the face give up some of the mystery, though they remain ominous and unsettling and become something different.

The strength is in the composition with the light rays, the windows, and the placement/angle of the figure.

Here's what I'd try if it were mine, which it isn't, so they're just ideas and nothing more. I would perhaps like a tiny bit of lightening in the eye area just to reveal that there are eyes in there somewhere, but not enough to reveal much else (if it turned out cartoonish I'd ditch that experiment). I don't think the rest of the face is too dark at all, it seems just right. I'd alter the color of the hooded "garment" to a dark grey or dark brown. Maroon just isn't an ominous or mysterious enough color. I do like how Frank "tucked" the light rays behind the figure, that works well.
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Interesting! I actually thought of doing exactly what you mention...slight brightening of the eye area. hmmm... Yes, Frank's light treatment is good.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:31:05   #
trc wrote:
Hey Frank,

If he wants to have a darker more menacing look or presentation, I believe perhaps a happy median between your version and mine might be in order? Mine is too light and yours seems to be just a tad too dark. Both are good in their own rights, but just depends on what pt wants for his final image outcome.

Here again, it just comes down to interpretation, likes, and dislikes, and what the original photographer hopes to achieve for his final product. Right now, I'm not really sure what he wants and what is too dark and too light, so I guess I'll let him reprocess his own image and see what he really wants. Not much else to say or do concerning the image he posted. He did achieve some results and some discussion from the forum, so maybe that was his intent and goal - just searching for other possible ideas?

Best Regards,
Tom
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I posted the shot because a female friend of mine said it was such a "shocking" departure from my normal work - to use Linda's phrase, "happy and pretty", that it made her feel "sick". So I wanted to get other thoughts.

It seems to be divided by gender.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:27:03   #
Frank2013 wrote:
Just my opinion you understand.....The lighting overpowers the subject for me and keeps my eyes drawn to the brightness on either side and away from the subject. Tom did a good job of normalizing his face but I feel you wanted the darker feel. Since it appears to be ok to re-post your image this is more what I was trying to get across to you. The changes are quite subtle but bring the viewer back to focusing on the face.


I think your version is the one I find most acceptable Frank. I do like your adjustments to the side lights very much and your comments regarding them make perfect sense. I suppose I got carried away in pp. lol Your adjustment to the face, while is more acceptable to the photographic world at large, is just a touch to "revealing" for what i was trying to say..

btw....Just as a point of reference - I never actually gave permissions to down load and alter the work. I'm not freaking out about it but it was shocking to see it come from others.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:19:59   #
jaymatt wrote:
I think the face is simply too dark to see any detail.


Yes it is.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:19:19   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
GWR100 was able to put into words what I was struggling with regarding the difference between original (my preference) and apaflo's edit:

"the temptation to bring more highlights to the face have been avoided bringing the need to really look at the mystery and intrigue behind it..."

I also agree with his comments re background and color, and rlaugh's "ominous." Overall though, I'm with Neil's "can't connect emotionally." That's mostly because I prefer my photography happy and pretty

I do applaud your creativity, pt!
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hahaha...thank you Linda....Yes I feel most women are in your happy and pretty camp.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:17:56   #
rlaugh wrote:
A very ominous look and an ominous looking background...the light from the window, and the reflection work perfectly. Just the right amount of color...a spooky, eerie feeling comes through to me!!,,,looks like who I might run into when I go to meet my maker!!...I'm in trouble!!....excellent work!!


Thank you for taking the time to look at it. I do appreciate your thoughts.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:16:55   #
[quote=GWR100]I really like this, the temptation to bring more highlights to the face have been avoided bringing the need to really look at the mystery and intrigue behind it, and the background has just enough power to offer a sinister mystery, and the muted colours add a dark dimension to the overall feel of the picture .For me you have got it spot on.

Geoff


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Thank you for you thoughts and comments! You understand my intent.
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Jan 22, 2017 02:21:00   #
Too far. Looks monstrous.
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