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Jan 9, 2014 10:16:09   #
Cdouthitt wrote:
yes and no (depends on the situation)...you just need to know how to handle it...and having fast glass helps.

My capture of the Panstarrs back in march with my EPM2 and 20mm f1.7 It was REALLY dark out...at least 30 minutes after the sun set.


Great photo. Famous Olympus color.
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Jan 9, 2014 10:14:44   #
RAFriedman wrote:
I think the micro 4/3 cameras seem to be weakest when it comes to low light.


Depends upon the camera and the processor. The older Olympus E-Series cameras were challenged beginning around 800 ISO. My E-3 compared favorably with my 40D up until 1250-1600 but beyond that it's pretty tough. Why God made flashes, I guess.

But the noise in bright light and at low ISO is often much better than that seen with Canons and Nikons (though honestly I am not sure about the newer models) and there is no touching the Zuiko glass, at least not at other than VERY expensive prices.

That being said the IQ reviews for the EM-1 and EM-5 are pretty outstanding, even by APS-C standards.
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Jan 9, 2014 07:24:52   #
lukan wrote:
4/3 and m4/3 was initially developed by Olympus as its preferred format for entering into the digital photography world from the film era. Oly/Zuiko created Digital Lenses made specifically for sensor optimization in a digital system as opposed to film, since they discovered that light hit the sensor at an indirect angle causing noise, digital artifacts, etc. Soon after initial research commenced, a collaboration occurred with Panasonic (who joined for lens manufacture with Leica) to fully develop this format. In the meantime, Canon and Nikon were adapting sensors to their DSLR systems and lenses, so that the legacy lens owners (especially all the Canon and Nikon shooting pros) from the film era wouldn't be abandoned. In many ways, 4/3 has provided innovation, quality, color rendition standards, and much more to the Digital photography world. It's still evolving, as is Full Frame sensor (its only real competition), with refinements and improvements happening every product cycle. Today, I wouldn't hesitate (see my sig!) to commit to a top shelf micro 4/3 system and expect wonderful results (which I get), with far less weight and size.
4/3 and m4/3 was initially developed by Olympus as... (show quote)


Right. But Olympus 4/3 can utilize all Zuiko and other OM mount glass with infinity focus and with no added glass elements in the lens adapter.
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Jan 9, 2014 06:10:46   #
johneccles wrote:
Hi there, I have an Olmpus M4/rd's camera and still cannot understand the term 4/3 rds.
All I know is that M4/3 cameras are a lot smaller and lighter than DSLR's and produce excellent images.
John


4/3 refers to the aspect ratio of the frame a la 8 X 10 or 8.5 X 11. APS-C I believe is 5 X 7, Can make it tricky when cropping and printing to mat and frame. The 4/3 format is culose to modern computer monitor dimensions.

The "m" denotes micro relating to camera size, not sensor size, and is typically (always?) a mirror less interchangeable lens camera with a physical shutter.
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Jan 8, 2014 22:44:37   #
joer wrote:
As others have pointed out 4/3 is obsolete replaced by M4/3.

The best M4/3 cameras and lenses will not technically match the best APS cameras and lenses but they come so close you may not notice the difference in every day shooting.

The real advantage is the IQ for the size, weight and cost. No other interchangeable lens system has a zoom lens equivalent to 200-600mm for under $500. Will it match a Canon or Nikon 600mm...no but at $8-$10K you would expect better performance.

There is nothing close to it for the money.
As others have pointed out 4/3 is obsolete replace... (show quote)


4/3 and m4/3 sensors are the same size.
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Jan 8, 2014 22:42:27   #
n3eg wrote:
It's a system that's 4/3 than APS-C.

No, seriously, you have full frame (35 mm), APS-C (half the size sensor of full frame) and 4/3 (half the size of APS-C). Bridge cameras and point and shoots are less than 1/6 the size of 4/3.


4/3 is 50% and an APS-C is 62.5% the size of a full frame sensor. Many p&s sensors are 1/6 the size of FF sensors, not 4/3 sensors.
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Jan 8, 2014 15:52:23   #
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Jan 8, 2014 11:28:18   #
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ocbeyer wrote:
Yes, you can use your camera's built in flash or a dedicated flash in the hot shoe. I use these, a little over 8 bucks a piece and so far they have worked every time.

Since my Canon 6D does not have a built-in flash, it appears I will still have to purchase a flash unit compatible with my camera.

Bill


I've gotten a lot of good use out of this little tilt flash, new for less than $50. Guide number of only 20, still much better than built in flashes, fully TTL and the infrared auto focus assist works great.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vivitar-VIV-DF-183-CAN-Series-1-TTL-DLSR-Bounce-Flash-Fits-Canon-TTL-Cameras-/231124903605?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item35d01e26b5

Of course if you don't mind shootting manual you can pick up universal flashes for a lot less. In fact, there are modern high power, low voltage versions of your Vivitar for under $30.

http://www.amazon.com/Bower-Digital-Universal-Automatic-Minolta/dp/B001O81CAE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389198324&sr=1-1&keywords=universal+flash
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Jan 8, 2014 10:56:52   #
Billbobboy42 wrote:
To use slave triggers, don't you still need an on camera flash? I am not familiar with slave devices. Can you provide a bit more "how to" re equipment needed?

Thanks,

Bill


Yes, you can use your camera's built in flash or a dedicated flash in the hot shoe. I use these, a little over 8 bucks a piece and so far they have worked every time.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagull-SYK-4-Optical-Trigger-Socket/dp/B0028DM1YA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389196425&sr=1-1&keywords=optical+slave+trigger


Just make sure that if mounted forward of the camera that the sensor is facing towards you. As for using the L flash bracket attached to the camera itself, I have it facing towards the subject and the on board flash always triggers it.
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Jan 8, 2014 06:40:36   #
Thanks Captain. Good to know.
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Jan 8, 2014 06:31:35   #
Billbobboy42 wrote:
Thanks to all for the info. The Wein device on B&H sells for $49.95. Since the Vivitar flash is of little value, I'll forgo investing in the converter and decide on one of the Canon Speedlites.

Bill


Don't throw it away yet. I have two and use them off camera with a couple of inexpensive optical slave triggers I bought on Amazon. Couple of bucks each, work flawlessly, on either tripods or L-bracket. They are powerful.
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Jan 7, 2014 14:10:41   #
tainkc wrote:
I like popcorn, hence the coconut oil. Be careful of the saccharine. Even though it came back on the market because researchers changed their minds about the connection between it and bladder cancer. beware. My dad was diabetic since he was 33. He had to take insulin twice a day and the only sweetener available at the time was saccharine. He was a less than moderate user of it and he took very good care of himself. Well, he got bladder cancer and died from that. He only made it to 71. I just love big business.
I like popcorn, hence the coconut oil. Be careful... (show quote)


Good point. But I think aspartame and sucralose are pretty much poisonous. I guess I'll reconsider stevia.
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Jan 7, 2014 13:02:57   #
Art Grandpa wrote:
The constant in this equation is you.


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Jan 7, 2014 12:59:37   #
I buy that sam tub of Louanna Coconut oil for around $5.50 at a local grocery chain. Seen half that size for $15 at health food, vitamin and drug stores. Anyway, I make sure to eat at least 3oz of the stuff daily. Excellent saturated fat.

You can use coconut milk in some recipes like smoothies but you have to be careful, most of the can linings use BPA which really leaches into the coconut. And coming from places like Thailand....But that Louanna product is excellent.

I don't do the Low Sugar products, don't do any sugar at all. Find sweetening with stevia or saccharine is safer. You can cook with saccharine, btw.
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Jan 7, 2014 06:54:26   #
Funny thing. Most of you would label me a liberal. Yet for the first 45 years of my life (yes, since birth) I was a STAUNCH conservative. Stereotypes, both liberal (and the OP's conservative one) are terribly inadequate and usually incorrect. And I know this from experience. What idealogs of all stripes have in common are closed minds.

Who the hell is Kurt Schlicter?
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