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Jan 20, 2024 10:28:59   #
Wyantry wrote:
Artz did not propose a NEW law. He said he favored not letting them vote (for named reasons). That is quite different from creating a new ‘after-the-fact’ (ex post facto) law.

Those individuals convicted of felony crimes against the United States are now FELONS. As such they are restricted from voting.

The convicted or incarcerated FELONS, adjudged of various charges, will have records that may prevent them from voting, depending, evidently, on state of residency.


”An ex post facto law is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions that were committed, or relationships that existed, before the enactment of the law. In criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in when it was committed; it may change the punishment prescribed for a crime, as by adding new penalties or extending sentences; it may extend the statute of limitations; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime likelier than it would have been when the deed was committed.” — Wikipedia

My point was to detail what laws CURRENTLY exist, and the differences between states. Federal restrictions may be different.

” In the United States, a person may have their voting rights suspended or withdrawn due to the conviction of a criminal offense. The actual class of crimes that results in disenfranchisement vary between jurisdictions, but most commonly classed as felonies, or may be based on a certain period of incarceration or other penalty. In some jurisdictions disfranchisement is permanent, while in others suffrage is restored after a person has served a sentence, or completed parole or probation.
Felony disenfranchisement is one among the collateral consequences of criminal conviction and the loss of rights due to conviction for criminal offense. In 2016, 6.1 million individuals were disenfranchised on account of a conviction, 2.47% of voting-age citizens.
As of October 2020, it was estimated that 5.1 million voting-age US citizens were disenfranchised for the 2020 presidential election on account of a felony conviction, 1 in 44 citizens. As suffrage rights are generally bestowed by state law, state felony disenfranchisement laws also apply to elections to federal offices.”
. — Wikipedia

A Supreme Court decision concerning felons is:

Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974), was a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court held, 6–3, that convicted felons could be barred from voting without violating the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Richardson v. Ramirez
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You're rambling, and you missed my point. Artz statement would require a new law, since he stated that those convicted of January 6th rioting should not be allowed to vote. I did not state, nor imply, that there should be super-legislation addressing this. In fact, there were NO convictions for insurrection. Why not? Those participants did nothing that was any worse than the rioters did on January 20, 2017. Those convicted of rioting have been punished far more severely than others committing similar crimes. Here's a hint - The rioters weren't armed for an insurrection. A judge would likely have laughed the case out of court. You can't have an insurrection without arms.

The biggest question remains - Why didn't Nancy Pelosi call up the National Guard, when asked to do so by President Trump? She's the one who needs to be expelled from Congress and prosecuted.
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Jan 19, 2024 20:34:42   #
Wyantry wrote:
Unless the laws are already in effect.

If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I vote?
If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I vote?

In all but two states (Vermont and Maine), voting age citizens convicted of a felony are barred from voting for at least some period of time. Restrictions on a felon's right to vote are summarized below:

Voting rights retained while incarcerated for a felony conviction in: Maine and Vermont.

Voting rights restored automatically upon release from prison in: The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Utah.

Voting rights restored automatically once released from prison and discharged from parole (probationers can vote) in: California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and South Dakota.

Voting rights restored automatically upon completion of sentence, including prison, parole, and probation in: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Voting rights restoration is dependent on the type of conviction and/or the outcome of an individual petition or application to the government in: Alabama, Delaware, Mississippi, Nevada, Tennessee, and Wyoming.

Voting rights can only be restored through an individual petition or application to the government in: Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, and Virginia.
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Read my reply to the original post -

ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/insurrectionists. I would favor not letting them vote since they have tried to violate the peaceful transfer of power.


ArtzDarkroom implied a new law, which would be Unconstitutional, even if they met other conditions.
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Jan 19, 2024 15:09:26   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/insurrectionists. I would favor not letting them vote since they have tried to violate the peaceful transfer of power.


This is addressed in the U.S. Constitution -

Article IX, Clause 3 - "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed"; and Article X, Clause 1 - "No State... shall pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law..."

That pretty much sums it up.
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Jan 17, 2024 11:37:50   #
National Park wrote:
Nonsense. Green energy is moving forward regardless of whether you want to continue to live in the gas age. Just look around.


As noted by others, you fantastically believe that the U.S., by giving up our petroleum-based economy, will make an iota's difference in the world's climate. We already have the cleanest atmosphere in the world. You give China, North Korea, and India, a pass when it comes to emissions. China brings another bituminous coal-fired power plant on line just about weekly. The Indians could give a crap less about the atmosphere; they're too busy trying to outdo the Chinese. And don't forget the effect of the Jet Stream has, especially when it brings China's leftover pollution to the U.S.

Third World countries also don't give a crap about "saving" the climate. They want to become Second World countries, and really don't care about John Kerry, or any of the other climate mental midgets.

We are now entering the end stages of the last global warming cycle. When that comes, you'll more than welcome a bit of global warming.

There is no computer, nor computer network, capable of building an atmospheric model simulation.
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Jan 16, 2024 11:19:41   #
Biden will never give up the "green" mantra, even though its collapsing around his empty head. His staff is too invested in the insanity.

Green energy is not consumer driven, therefore it will be a failure. These morons quickly forget the lunacy of Maynard Keynes and his "demand" economics. Produce enough and people will buy it. Lunacy then, lunacy now.
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Jan 16, 2024 10:18:11   #
jerryc41 wrote:
Definitely not! Moore's character doesn't like women. You find out why toward the end.


The movie was also released as "Ffolkes", and I've seen it several times. "North Sea Hijack" must be the alternate title, with Roger Moore at his haughtiest best. Michael Parks came across as a great bad guy, a definite change from his role as Bronson in "Then Came Bronson". It also features Anthony Perkins as a real whack job.
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Jan 10, 2024 11:23:36   #
Paradise Pirate wrote:
Watching an e-bay sale of Nikon D850, seller says the only number on the camera and box is "910". Normally should be 6 or 7 digits with 1st number indicating country for sale, 3------ for USA model. I have tried to research and it was suggested they ran out of numbers for the D850. Any help on serial numbers. I don't want to buy a non-USA model.


Which auction is this?
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Jan 8, 2024 11:32:54   #
I can only speak for my results. I have the 200-500 Nikkor, and it works equally well with my D8510, and my Z7ii with the FTZ adapter. Before my Z7ii, I used the Nikkor with both Z5 and Z7 models and it worked flawlessly.

As an aside, I also have the Nikkor 80-400 G model, and it works flawlessly as well with F and Z mounts.
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Jan 6, 2024 20:24:49   #
Just the opposite of my most recent experience. MPB had a Tamron 150-600 that was listed as in "good" condition. I bought it, it was shipped the next day, and I got it day-before yesterday. The lens looks to be brand new, all paper work, box, etc., was included. I tried some test shots yesterday, and it's everything I expected.

I've bought several lenses from them, and I've always had great experiences.

Sorry yours was not good.
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Jan 5, 2024 17:05:25   #
JohnFrim wrote:
In an infinite universe (time and space) you think that because we have not seen it, therefore it does not exist? We got past being the centre of the universe a long time ago. Infinity, my friend… infinity. It is HUGE!!!


You and I disagree on many subjects, but I'm with you on this one. In the early period of earth's development, our environment was hostile, to say the least. With a plethora of objects crashing into earth on a daily basis, we have no concept of just how many events happened that contributed to life coming from an array of amino acids which formed during earth's early development. Folks seem to ignore the near infinite number of chemical reactions which are started by lightning, sunlight, and even contact with rocks, and other materials. We can't conceive the complicated chemical reactions that created those amino acids, and then the chemical reactions which happened near constantly. In a time encompassing 3-4 billion years, no computer model can begin to duplicate the chain of events which lead to life forming from those chemicals.
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Jan 5, 2024 10:07:25   #
whfowle wrote:
I can remember when college was for learning a viable skill and Saturday football games were just for a little relaxation.


There are still those colleges which have these types of programs.

A few years back, a small college in southern Indiana had their "big game" coming up. As sometimes happens, that Saturday the Indiana State Police were giving their hiring exam. The QB wanted to be a state trooper after graduation. He asked his coach what he should do. Without hesitation, the coach had him take the trooper exam. The coach's reasoning was that the "big game" was just one game. Becoming a state trooper was a life choice.
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Jan 2, 2024 18:57:08   #
Architect1776 wrote:
She adamantly said she would not step down. And if fired she would fight the firing.
I guess the hundreds of her separate plagiarized documents that have now come forth was just too much evidence.
So she cheated and lied to get to the top, used race and sex to force others to place her at the top spot and how would anyone challenge her? Because she is protected from scrutiny seeing that she is liberal, female and black.


She, like anyone else who's in a position of authority, flaunts it, and believes she's immortal, usually forgets about the guy/gal in the corner, who's amassing her plagiaristic history, waiting for the right opportunity to release it to the world. She likely stepped on some underlings and pissed off the wrong folks; Gay got to where she is via affirmative action, pure and simple. She was coddled and pushed along with no one doing any fact checking.

She's only the latest and most notorious. I worked in the auto industry for nearly 40 years, and I've seen her type (men and women both) who were considered bullet-proof. They had "rabbis" who fronted for them. But, one can only go so far that way. Eventually, one has to stand on one's feet.

TF'inB
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Jan 2, 2024 15:46:23   #
dakotacheryl wrote:
And, If a random accident in nature created an actual living single cell organism...why can't scientists today, with all of the computer power, and technology create one?


It's likely that life got its start numerous times from unlinked chemical reactions. It's not that scientists aren't trying, but the number of combinations of amino acids reacting in concert with the right electrical charge from lightning, solar reaction, or static electricity is beyond the capacity of even the most powerful computers and computer simulators. And we don't know whether life got its start in the oceans, some primordial swamp goo, or just where.

Life likely did not survive its first start-up. It took billions of tries, and trials and errors before life took hold. And that was for a single cell organism. More complex, i.e. multi-cell organisms, took eons.

Evolution is not a straight line, from one cell, to mankind; it's branching. It's why we still have apes and chimpanzees.
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Jan 2, 2024 09:06:37   #
tramsey wrote:
I don't think I agree with Bellows. We lock up people before they have a trial. Isn't that assuming quilt?


No, it's not. The Constitution makes provisions for posting bail in most instances. Only the most egregious offenders are denied an opportunity to post bail. And there are any number of offenses which don't require bail, and defenders are released on their own recognizance. Pre-trial confinement is used to ensure the defendant shows up for trial after determining the severity of the offense; it's not an assumption of guilt.
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Dec 31, 2023 12:16:25   #
srron wrote:
Again, where did the chemicals and the heating,cooling, wetting agents and exploding stars come from?


It all starts from the most basic elements, hydrogen. All matter, above absolute zero degrees, moves constantly, and not in any discernible pattern. The big bang was uniform, up to a point. Then, for whatever reason acquired random movement, and the loose hydrogen atoms began to coalesce around each other. As this movement became more regular, clouds of hydrogen moved into orbits around each other, and as the number of atoms coalesced gravity increased. As gravity increased the orbiting hydrogen atoms heated. Eventually, over billions of years, the orbiting hydrogen atoms collapsed into stars (with "starlike" objects in the interim).

Over the next few billion years, the hydrogen at the center of the star went through a fusion process, creating helium, then lithium, etc. The burning goes on until a critical mass is created at the core, and then certain classes of stars explode when iron is formed. A different class of stars continues fusion until the natural limit of fusion results in the elements heavier than iron. Stars can either collapse or explode (supernova). And explosions blow elements into space, and those elements, over time, coalesce into dust and rocks. Somewhere around 4.6 billion years ago, enough gasses and rocks, etc. coalesced enough to create rocky or gaseous planets.

There! You now have 13 billion years of astrophysics wrapped up into a few paragraphs.

All kidding aside, it's been the study of space via Chandra, Webb, and Hubble telescopes, that we're learning more about our universe.

And one of the best sources of information about has been the Science Channel, and its various series on the Big Bang, how stars and planets are formed, and its done in language most folks can readily grasp. And the astronomers, astrophysicists, planetary biologists, etc. are very amiable off the air, also. I've sent emails to several of them, and they always responded with the amount of information I needed.
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