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Sep 25, 2017 16:47:34   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
When I use this method I set the SS for my subject (birds, flowers, flowers blowing in wind etc), I set the aperture for the DOF I am aiming for. Then I set an upper limit on the ISO. I use ISO 6400 on my 7DII and ISO12800 on my 6D. Since discovering an anti noise program that does a better job (Franzis Project DENOISE is my favorite) I have set the 7DII ISO higher, my old limits was 3200. I also do my best to get close and fill the frame to avoid cropping which tends to make the noise look worse. If the ISO maxes out that is a sign it is time to change the SS and/or f-stop, set up lights, get out my flash or go in and read a book/watch the news.

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Sep 25, 2017 16:59:43   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
I'm using the under $1000 Nikon D5200, seems to do nice things for me!

No noticeable noise when ISO > 2000???

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Sep 25, 2017 17:02:29   #
tjim Loc: Far Northern California
 
rehess wrote:
Method used by the OP is basically
"M" + auto-ISO.

Problem for me is I still only have an old D1x and D200. The D1x is not very good over 400 and the D200 gets a little grainy ever 800. So I really need to control ISO's. I'm probably not the best one to say anything 'cause I guess the late models are pretty good at much higher ISO's and auto ISO.

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Sep 25, 2017 17:43:12   #
photodoc16
 
John,
I have been using the 7D Mark II for about 2 - 3 years and much of that use has been with the 100 - 400mm, Mark II version. I have been on manual mode almost exclusively but not auto ISO. I have tried it and it was helpful but after that I did not test it much. Although, if I cannot use EC on auto ISO then perhaps it is not for me. And, in Auto ISO, you cannot change your factors quickly by dialing in what you desire by using the EC scale in the viewfinder. You have to Q in the screen with all shooting factors and change the SS or A at that point.
Since the EC scale is always visible in the viewfinder, I have never had to use the Q button to bring it up. I do change factors often which is my main use for the Q button.
There are built in constraints to changing factors instantaneously no matter how you set up your camera. Don't forget Program mode if you need to grab a very quick shot and have a decent chance of capturing something usable instead of missing the shot altogether.
Photodoc16

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Sep 25, 2017 17:47:42   #
Photowiz
 
What is EC?

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Sep 25, 2017 17:59:57   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
not a long as there are cameras and lenses and oh yes, craft.

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Sep 25, 2017 18:00:08   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Photowiz wrote:
What is EC?


Exposer compensation

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Sep 25, 2017 18:00:52   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
wj cody wrote:
not a long as there are cameras and lenses and oh yes, craft.


Wtf are you trying to say here? Lol

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Sep 25, 2017 18:06:32   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Photowiz wrote:
What is EC?


Exposure Compensation usually available from -3 to + 3 in half or 1/3rd stops. Metering calculates an exposure for mid gray which may be good for an elephant but not for any anything predominately black or white. If you use some exposure compensation you can get a better exposure than your camera calculates (normally a stop or two at most usually around a 1/2 stop is enough).

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Sep 25, 2017 18:13:03   #
georgiapeach2 Loc: Georgia the Peach State
 
John Gerlach wrote:
I just returned from leading about my 40th Kenya photo safari, and used an entirely different shooting mode that is much better than all other methods I have used previously. I have always urged clients not to use aperture priority to avoid the pitfall of letting the shutter speed drop too slow to produce sharp images. That happened a lot in previous trips when the animal must be photographed in seconds, or forget it. Shutter priority was my favorite method for several years, but I would have used ISO Auto if my older Canon cameras has let me compensate the exposure with this setup, but none did. I had devised a more complicated way to use aperture priority this year, and limit the shutter speed to no slower than 1/500 second, but that quickly fell away when I had to use slower shutter speeds due to really dim light. So I went to ISO Auto and manual aperture and shutter speed. By manually setting the aperture and shutter speed, I could lock those in to my desired values, and let the ISO adjust to produce the standard exposure. With the two cameras I had - Canon 1DX Mark II and 5D Mark IV - I could compensate the exposure by pressing the Q button and then adjusting the exposure with the EC control that appears on the LCD. But this was a bit too slow too. Fortunately, I soon discovered I could assign EC to the SET button using the Custom functions menu. That really worked well. Just press and hold the SET button in while rotating the main control dial on top of the camera to set the EC. Since aperture and shutter speed are manual, the EC adjusts the ISO Auto selection to accomplish lighter or darker images. Both the Set button and the main control dial are easy to reach, so it was fast to do it.

I used this system for most of the safari and it always worked fabulously well. Plus, I got most of my clients to use manual aperture and shutter speed, and ISO Auto for the first time in most cases and they loved it. Essentially, when this combination, you have both shutter priority and aperture priority built in to one shooting mode. Most Canon cameras cannot do EC with the combo, but the three being use on my trip certainly could. That includes the 1DX Mark II, 5D Mark IV, and 7D Mark II. Plus, I just checked a friend's Canon 80D camera today in northern Michigan and found that the EC scale would not work when using the Q button to get to it, but if the EC was assigned to the SET button, it did work. Don't know why that is the case, but good to know. I could not make it work with the 70D, however.

With the power Canon is now providing in their cameras for being able to use EC with manual aperture and shutter speed, but AUTO ISO, I now wonder if I will ever bother using Shutter priority or aperture priority again? By the way, to be clear, this exposure mode is an autoexposure mode as the ISO is auto to produce a standard exposure, unless compensated for. So it still has the problem of many situations where the brightness of the background or subject sizes throws the exposure off, so then I would just use manual exposure with no auto ISO. I have heard some find no use for Auto ISO, but I think they should reconsider. To me, at times ISO Auto is just as important as having a lens on my camera. Food for thought......

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I could assign EC to the SET button, can you define what EC means please?

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Sep 25, 2017 18:21:31   #
photodoc16
 
John,
I may have spoken a bit quickly. My point should have been that I cannot buy into the claim that there is any significant time saved by pressing the Q button to change your EC (and hence the ISO) OR changing the SET button to bring up the EC scale and then change it to produce a desired exposure. (If you are already at a low ISO then you will not be able to darken your image much this way and will have to change other factors. No time savings there compared with non Auto ISO.)
Photodoc16

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Sep 25, 2017 18:21:54   #
Photowiz
 
EC means what?

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Sep 25, 2017 18:28:12   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Photowiz wrote:
EC means what?


Exposer compensation. Would learn more if you members read all the replies.

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Sep 25, 2017 18:29:20   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Photowiz wrote:
EC means what?


EC = Exposure Compensation

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Sep 25, 2017 18:35:36   #
georgiapeach2 Loc: Georgia the Peach State
 
tdekany wrote:
Exposer compensation. Would learn more if you members read all the replies.


Thank you very much. I am working on this right now.

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