wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

second stupidest post...you win!!!!!!!!

MikieLBS Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

If I have 10 American Flags flying in front of my house, does that make me a patriot? No, it makes you a nut job in IMHO.

If I Play for a professional football team in Boston, does THAT make me a Patriot? No, but it would make me envious.

If I voted for trump, does that make me a patriot? No, an idiot would be a better description IMHO.

If I am SWORN to defend the Constitution of my State and of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic, am I a Patriot? No, swearing does nothing but piss people off! Your daily actions and reactions are are the best measurements of a true Patriot.

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Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Well, this is what he said: "Charging up a hill under fire gets you chief patriot."

He never heard of Benedict Arnold, did he?

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

This is pretty good!
And indeed, Today evil deeds are being performed in the name of patriotism!!!
SS

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Since the subject has been brought up, I suggest a few paragraphs from Wikipedia, always a good place to begin.

There was also a cross reference to Collective Narcissism which seems appropriate in this day and age. Consider it.


Wikipedia:

Patriotism is an attachment to a homeland. This attachment can be viewed in terms of different features relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to those of nationalism. An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism; another related term is jingoism.

The English term patriot is first attested in the Elizabethan era, via Middle French from Late Latin (6th century) patriota, meaning "countryman", ultimately from Greek πατριώτης (patriōtēs), meaning 'from the same country', from πατρίς (patris), meaning 'fatherland'. The abstract noun patriotism appears in the early 18th century.

(Snip)

George Orwell, in his influential essay Notes on Nationalism distinguished patriotism from related concept of nationalism:

"By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality."


Collective narcissism (or group narcissism) is a type of narcissism where an individual has an inflated self-love of his or her own ingroup, where an "ingroup" is a group in which an individual is personally involved. While the classic definition of narcissism focuses on the individual, collective narcissism asserts that one can have a similar excessively high opinion of a group, and that a group can function as a narcissistic entity.

Collective narcissism is characterized by the members of a group holding an inflated view of their ingroup. It is important to note that collective narcissism can be exhibited by an individual on behalf of a group or by a group as a whole. Fundamentally, however, collective narcissism always has some tie to the individuals who make up a narcissistic group. Collectively narcissistic groups require external validation, just as individual narcissists do. Organizations and groups who exhibit this behavior typically try to protect their identities through rewarding group-building behavior (this is positive reinforcement).

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Well let's see.

If you have served in the military knowing that they can deploy you and put you in harms way in service to your country, I am willing to call you a patriot.

Marines are Marines for life so, yes...patriots for life.

I don't know anything about you other than you are an a$$hole. While I am sure some patriots are a$$holes, being an a$$hole does not make you a patriot.

Did that clear it up for you?

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

No, that leaves even more questions.
Read what Twardlow snipped from Wiki right above your post. You may be confusing Patriotism with Collective Narcissism! Which if so, that would make you WAY off base!!!
Though this was not about me...., I'm elated to see that you are thinking of me! A high form of flattery indeed!!!
SS

usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl

I don't hold anyone in contempt and I have never condoned violence as a means of disagreeing with others. None of my posts have intimated that.
I have never said that in order to be a Patriot you have to be a veteran. At the same time, if you disagree with a particular war, blame the people in Washington, don't take it out on those who fought, in my case that would be Kennedy and Johnson.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

I'm not trying to start something, but what do you think of Benedict Arnold?

In other words, I don't argue with your basic point, only that it's too inclusive, or perhaps that it doesn't allow for exceptions.

Patriotism, like Heroism, is voluntary, and the risk can be monumental, but I think you can be patriotic without charging up a hill, and I think some charge up that hill, sharing the risk, with no particular feelings of patriotism.

Some are compulsive career builders, or adrenaline junkies, or simply enjoy refining violent skills to a high degree--none of whom qualify as particularly patriotic in my book.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

No, but you do take great umbrage with a few students at UC but say nothing about Trump. Motivated reasoning at its best.

usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl

And what SS saying conservatives who come to UC should be beaten. Not the words of a patriot, or if a sane person for than matter.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

whan has SS ever been accused of being patriotic or sane??

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

In case you need a reminder:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html

Nothing to say about this, right? But a few loonies (from both sides I might add. I was there) get out of hand at UC and you get your panties all knotted up.