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Apr 10, 2024 09:23:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Too many people believe another's attitude, desire, and ability should be just like theirs.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:31:00   #
srt101fan
 
Longshadow wrote:
Well, I'm over 70 and not obsessed with improving my photography (for over 50 years), I'm quite satisfied with it.
And if something doesn't work out the way I anticipated it to, oh well.
I shoot for me, not to be "perfect", but to enjoy what I do. It works.
I enjoy photography so much more not worrying about always making things "better".

Yes, my prerogative.


You (and quite a few others) emphasize that you are the only one who needs to like your work, that opinions of others are unimportant. It's almost a badge of honor to not care what other people think.

Yet you sell your photos. Don't you care what your customers like and don't like?

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Apr 10, 2024 09:43:48   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
We need to read the Admin's rules for the forum. If you want critique, ASK FOR IT. if you give critique, include your rationale. You can find guidelines on-line for judging photos. We had guidelines in our photo club. Knowing them is very helpful in judging your own photos.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:46:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
srt101fan wrote:
You (and quite a few others) emphasize that you are the only one who needs to like your work, that opinions of others are unimportant. It's almost a badge of honor to not care what other people think.

Yet you sell your photos. Don't you care what your customers like and don't like?

It's called self confidence.
I do not worry about what others think.

Nope, I don't.
If they like them, that's great, if they don't that's fine also.
I'm not in the business to sell photographs.
Nor am I out for accolades.
Not everyone's taste matches mine. I'm not shooting for their taste.
And since I shoot for me, well, that's what they get to see.
I simply provide the option.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:47:39   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and thought I’d give it an encore. UHH has 2 sections for members to post pics - Photo Gallery and Photo Analysis and posting constructive criticism in the first is frowned upon. I think this rule does a disservice to photographers looking to up their game.

I often look at posts in the Gallery and too often see, sorry for the blunt language, just awful photos. I’m not talking about subjective matters. I’m talking about pics that are out of focus, poorly exposed, with wildly tilted horizons (not done intentionally for artistic purposes), badly post processed or overprocessed, poorly composed with telephone poles growing out of heads, etc. or any number of other technical (NOT subjective) flaws.

And most times, well meaning members post, “Great set”, or “Nicely done” or other “ attaboys” in an attempt to not hurt another member’s feelings. I see this as counterproductive and reinforcing bad technique by poster. I ask how is a member to develop better photography skills if, I again apologize upfront, technically terrible pics are displayed and followed by lots of gushing platitudes?

Last time I mentioned this, I was slapped down by numerous members who argue that unless a poster requests constructive criticism, nothing negative should be said. Ok - I’ll buy the “If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing” idea, but gushing over bad stuff does harm to the poster too. If the pics are bad, say nothing. Stop reinforcing bad work.

Just a suggestion to those posting to the Gallery in the future - think about soliciting criticisms so you can improve your work. Sure you will get many nasty, snarky and often incorrect replies from a certain subsection of members, but you will also get many great suggestions for improvement offered in a polite, constructive manner. I’ve been a photographer for 55 yrs and I welcome all well meaning and civil critiques. We are never too old to learn a new trick.

Anxious to see the replies to this rant.
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and... (show quote)



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Apr 10, 2024 09:52:25   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
I get where you coming from, and pretty much agree. I see too many encouraging comments that really do not fit the image. I agree that these well meaning comments do more harm than good. A simple "good for you" or maybe asking how it made them feel about getting their image.
The ones that sing the praise such as "Nice set" or "beautiful" when it's below standard is just wrong. Yes some just like to post very obvious on this site, but lets not give undo praise for bad photos, this is a photography site we should all be looking to improve our efforts.
Any way just my opinion and we all know about opinions and another part of anatomy, we all have one.
Good day to all lets practice our interest.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:57:14   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Jsykes wrote:
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You came up with the words that say what I wanted to say. Thank you.
If someone wants to be where everyone is there to help and be helped, "looking to improve their efforts", they should go to the section made for that purpose and leave the gallery alone.

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Apr 10, 2024 10:00:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Tempest in a teapot?

I avoid the gallery like the plague, simple as that.

When I post there, I do so to have a 'layman' point of view and ask for an open critic, not a 'ooooohhhh it's soooo goooood'. It is never 'so good', there is always room to improve. The feedback in the gallery is primal most of the time, but heck, it is often more on point than when folks are looking for 'fault'. As such, it is more honest.

I was errr... Criticized for posting there in the intent to have a generic feedback, that I should have used a different section such as the ones cited by Linda. These are elitist - in my opinion - and you can quickly run afoul of the small communities there.

I have been really critical of some images that are in the gallery... The reason is that these were posted in the main channel where they do not belong and later transferred by the admin. I just do not like folks that post by 'mistake' for click, thinking they will get the 'what-a-boy' feedback. Had they posted where they belong, they would not have heard a peep, as I would not even know of their existence.
Tempest in a teapot? br br I avoid the gallery li... (show quote)


I tend to read all of your posts from a negative point of view. Sorry but that is because you come across with negatives in your replies to others. You point out people want an attaboy but I haven't seen anybody who is like that. Of course we all would like positive attention toward what we submit rather than negative but that is only natural. You like positive feedback yourself don't you?

For you to continue posting BS on people who make a mistake on what section the photos should go to I hate to think of you losing sleep contemplating on who might make a silly mistake in parts of the rest of your life taking place. God forbid you should go to a drugstore and find a bottle of 100 aspirin mixed in by mistake where the bottles of 500 aspirin should be. God forbid someone at the post office put a neighbor's mail in your box by mistake once a year or, GASP, maybe even twice. Oh the horror!!!!! People are human beings and as such they/we make mistakes. How unkind of you to make the biggest problem of all over such a simple and common error.

Dennis

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Apr 10, 2024 10:00:54   #
BebuLamar
 
srt101fan wrote:
You (and quite a few others) emphasize that you are the only one who needs to like your work, that opinions of others are unimportant. It's almost a badge of honor to not care what other people think.

Yet you sell your photos. Don't you care what your customers like and don't like?


Don't confuse hobby and business. In my business I make sure my customers like my work although I wouldn't do the same if for myself. But photography is my hobby and I have no intention of making anyone likes my photos.

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Apr 10, 2024 10:02:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Don't confuse hobby and business. In my business I make sure my customers like my work although I wouldn't do the same if for myself. But photography is my hobby and I have no intention of making anyone likes my photos.


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Apr 10, 2024 10:06:11   #
srt101fan
 
Longshadow wrote:
It's called self confidence.
I do not worry about what others think.

Nope, I don't.
If they like them, that's great, if they don't that's fine also.
I'm not in the business to sell photographs.
Not everyone's taste matches mine. I'm not shooting for their taste.
And since I shoot for me, well, that's what they get to see.
I simply provide the option.


I guess I understand, sort of.....

But I don't believe for a minute that self confidence in what you like and "the hell with the rest of the world" is enough for a creative person.

Do you really think a writer can happily write books that nobody reads? Or that composers can happily write music that nobody wants to listen to? I don't think so. But I'm going too far off topic...

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Apr 10, 2024 10:12:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
srt101fan wrote:
I guess I understand, sort of.....

But I don't believe for a minute that self confidence in what you like and "the hell with the rest of the world" is enough for a creative person.

Do you really think a writer can happily write books that nobody reads? Or that composers can happily write music that nobody wants to listen to? I don't think so. But I'm going too far off topic...


Please don't put words in my mouth!
I never said "the hell with the rest of the world", I'm just not worried about their opinion.
There is a difference! A large difference!

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Apr 10, 2024 10:15:41   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
srt101fan wrote:
I guess I understand, sort of.....

But I don't believe for a minute that self confidence in what you like and "the hell with the rest of the world" is enough for a creative person.

Do you really think a writer can happily write books that nobody reads? Or that composers can happily write music that nobody wants to listen to? I don't think so. But I'm going too far off topic...


Are you possibly confusing those of us who are NOT in the business of photography with those who are? I submit my photos because this is a photography forum where we enjoy looking at each other's photographs, discussing those photographs and possibly discussions of what equipment was used, how to achieve a similar photo and so on. We offer praise for those people who have submitted their best work while we realize your best work may easily surpass the quality of my best work. Yet we are each proud of our submissions.

When I submit my photos I do want to hear positives but I am acceptable of someone offering a well meant suggestion on how to better my photo next time. I may not agree with something such as composition but will accept the comment from someone who would have composed my photo differently.

Dennis

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Apr 10, 2024 10:19:25   #
jkm757 Loc: San Diego, Ca.
 
A number of years ago, in an effort to improve my photography I would specifically ask for critiques and constructive comments whenever I posted any photos. All I ever got were compliments. Don't get me wrong, I like compliments as much as the next person, but that wasn't what I was looking for. After a few months of never getting any critiques I finally stopped asking.

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Apr 10, 2024 10:22:45   #
taffspride Loc: Originally Wales, now the Sunshine State
 
Longshadow wrote:
Too many people believe another's attitude, desire, and ability should be just like theirs.


My philosophy exactly

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