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Mar 8, 2024 15:28:57   #
RKastner Loc: Davenport, FL
 
jerryc41 wrote:
...let friends have their own private space, and access it from anywhere via the Internet.

https://bee.synology.com/en-us/BeeStation


Why the hell would I want that?

I guess I'm not that trusting....could explain why I don't have a lot of friends. ;)

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Mar 8, 2024 15:32:20   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
charles tabb wrote:
Should one Drive fail I have a backup. I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.
Charles: The problem with your solution is if a virus or some other corrupts your 20TB cluster, BOTH drives will lose their data - for example - ransomware. The SAFEST solution is to have an external back-up solution that ONLY runs after the end of your day when you have no reason to suspect any problems.
I have TWO NAS (both by Q-Nap) one a 12TB RAID-5 (4x4TB) and the other a 24TB RAID-5 (3x12TB). I can access either from anywhere in the world over the Internet with a user ID and password known only to me. I use back-up software by EaseUS (TODO Backup) to do complete backups of my system drive every 2 days, and do a makeshift Grandfather (monthly full)/Father(weekly differential)/Son (daily incremental) backup of my data drive. It's makeshift because the program won't automatically delete the files once they become irrelevant - such as the interrim incrementals after a weekly differential has been done, etc. I have to go delete them manually - usually about once per month.
We have replaceable Varactor based whole-house surge suppression (installed when we put in Solar and Generac). Both NAS are powered by UPS which also have surge suppression.
Cloud-Based backup is NOT a choice for me - as I have over 3.5TB on my data drive and stuff on the cloud is Slow Slow Slow, and more than a couple of hundred MB becomes unwieldy AND Expensive!

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Mar 8, 2024 17:14:59   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Hello

Well, having a backup is a great option but if the backup is in the same location as you, and there is a fire you lose everything. A much better option I think would be that the backup remains offsite that way your data is safe. Some may argue the point again, but we all will choose what works best for each person. Now you can have 2 backups onsite and off-site so if your house burns down, you have your data offsite, and you're good. Just something to think about.

Al

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Mar 8, 2024 17:30:16   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
alvin3232 wrote:
Hello

Well, having a backup is a great option but if the backup is in the same location as you, and there is a fire you lose everything. A much better option I think would be that the backup remains offsite that way your data is safe. Some may argue the point again, but we all will choose what works best for each person. Now you can have 2 backups onsite and off-site so if your house burns down, you have your data offsite, and you're good. Just something to think about.

Al


There's nothing wrong with having TWO backups, one on site and one off. Or even THREE backups, one local, one remote, and one cloud. The more the merrier.

A lot of people feel safe if they have one at home and one at a friend's house, or at the bank. The problem with that is that if you have a regional disaster (a lot of wildfires in the news, that destroy whole towns or even more), your secondary backup is toast also. That's why the cloud option is important. The cloud servers are distributed (there are many of them) and they are distributed (across countries, or even between continents). The latency can be a problem, but if your problem is regional, they are a solution.

When it comes to backup you can't be too paranoid.

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Mar 8, 2024 17:33:10   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Agree 100%
As your data is most important.

Alvin

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Mar 8, 2024 18:56:38   #
neillaubenthal
 
charles tabb wrote:
Jerry...
I have better then that.
My son is an IT and he took my new DELL PC and added two HD's 20 TB's each and has them opperating together.
Now, when I save something it goes to both Drives.
Should one Drive fail I have a backup.
I simply remove the bad Drive and put in a new one.
It then be automatically be backed up by the good one.
I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.

Charles


If you really believe that’s adequate backup…then I pity you. It isn’t.

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Mar 8, 2024 19:30:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
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When it comes to backup you can't be too paranoid.

Well, maybe if one had a dedicated drive for each day of the month and scattered them among neighbors, family, and friends...

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Mar 8, 2024 19:42:42   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Well, maybe if one had a dedicated drive for each day of the month and scattered them among neighbors, family, and friends...


That won't necessarily work in regions that could be affected by regional disasters: floods, wildfires, hurricanes.......

Embrace the cloud for backup.

(Unless, of course, you place no value on your data).

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Mar 8, 2024 19:46:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
That won't necessarily work in regions that could be affected by regional disasters: floods, wildfires, hurricanes.......

Embrace the cloud for backup.

(Unless, of course, you place no value on your data).

I didn't say it would work (well), it was an example of being paranoid.

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Mar 9, 2024 08:16:15   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
charles tabb wrote:
Jerry...
I have better then that.
My son is an IT and he took my new DELL PC and added two HD's 20 TB's each and has them opperating together.
Now, when I save something it goes to both Drives.
Should one Drive fail I have a backup.
I simply remove the bad Drive and put in a new one.
It then be automatically be backed up by the good one.
I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.

Charles


Be careful you don't save errors to both.

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Mar 9, 2024 08:47:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Horseart wrote:
Can't keep from smiling! I can see you getting one, taking it apart minutes after it arrives to see if it can be altered to make it better or faster.


I really would like to know what's inside. I didn't see any specs listed on the Synology site. Would you buy a can labeled "FOOD" at a supermarket?

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Mar 9, 2024 14:26:31   #
Phil Singer Loc: Beautiful Downtown Brighton Michigan
 
My guess is that inside is good-old reliable flash memory. Their marketing people do a commendable job of not explaining how one can backup their photos in the field without also buying what they call their 'cloud' option. It is not clear if this cloud runs on their hardware or your hardware. If your hardware -- then you must leave your computer running whenever you are offsite but want to download photos to it.

I can buy a 1TB Samsung flash drive at Costco for $89. Cloud storage for my photos worth worrying about is cheap from either Google or Amazon.

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Mar 9, 2024 18:19:48   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I really would like to know what's inside. I didn't see any specs listed on the Synology site. Would you buy a can labeled "FOOD" at a supermarket?


It’s a NAS (network attached storage) device with a 4TB drive and an Ethernet port. You access files with a browser. They, like most external drive manufacturers, don’t specify the drive mfg/model, but for the price, it’s probably a spinning disk instead of an SSD. In terms of performance, it will be limited by by the ethernet speed. If it’s gigabit Ethernet and an internal SATA drive, you can expect ~100MB/sec depending on file size.

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Mar 10, 2024 08:30:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
TriX wrote:
It’s a NAS (network attached storage) device with a 4TB drive and an Ethernet port. You access files with a browser. They, like most external drive manufacturers, don’t specify the drive mfg/model, but for the price, it’s probably a spinning disk instead of an SSD. In terms of performance, it will be limited by by the ethernet speed. If it’s gigabit Ethernet and an internal SATA drive, you can expect ~100MB/sec depending on file size.


I'd prefer two drives for a RAID configuration. That's what I have for a NASW, two drives. I'd like more, but the NAS itself is too expensive. I have enclosures that hold two and four drives, so they are good backups.

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Mar 10, 2024 18:44:47   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I have been a Synology user for over 20 years. I own both NAS units and a WiFi router. For e, their software makes them great. I've noticed they now sell HDDs, but I don't know if they actually manufacture them. High Quality equipment. Best of luck.

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