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Mar 7, 2024 18:37:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
I had one of those whole house surge protectors installed on the outside of the meter box when I lived in Florida.
A pair of gas discharge tubes (A and B leg to neutral). I think it triggered at 600v. It protected against BAD surges, but not small ones (<600v). I had small surge protectors for the computer, TV, etc.. They protected at about 200v I think, but would not withstand a large hit.
A friend had something hit his house protector one time, it protected the house, but blew into little pieces in doing so. He had a new one put in.
I had one of those whole house surge protectors in... (show quote)


Yep, the gas discharge tubes will help with lightning hits, but won’t help for power surges. The problem with lightning hits is they can come in or induce a charge on any conductor, and if it’s a direct strike, not much will help - megawatts of energy. In Florida, you need all the help you can get!

i have a tower and a LOT of antennas, and every coax transmission line has some form of lightning protection and grounding when not being used. Some have gas discharge tubes and some use an inductor to ground (opaque to VHF/UHF, but a direct path to ground at DC or lower frequencies). And you can bet I don’t use those puny 3’ ground rods. 8’ with #4 ground wire plus flat copper strip to the tower and the copper entrance plate where all the incoming coax is connected AND bonded to the ground at the meter base.

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Mar 7, 2024 19:29:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
Yep, the gas discharge tubes will help with lightning hits, but won’t help for power surges. The problem with lightning hits is they can come in or induce a charge on any conductor, and if it’s a direct strike, not much will help - megawatts of energy. In Florida, you need all the help you can get!

i have a tower and a LOT of antennas, and every coax transmission line has some form of lightning protection and grounding when not being used. Some have gas discharge tubes and some use an inductor to ground (opaque to VHF/UHF, but a direct path to ground at DC or lower frequencies). And you can bet I don’t use those puny 3’ ground rods. 8’ with #4 ground wire plus flat copper strip to the tower and the copper entrance plate where all the incoming coax is connected AND bonded to the ground at the meter base.
Yep, the gas discharge tubes will help with lightn... (show quote)

Yea, NOTHING will protect from a direct hit.
And a spike from lightning will randomly take out things in the house. It happened 3 or 4 different times while I lived there. And one does not take a shower during a lightning storm.

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Mar 7, 2024 20:17:06   #
neillaubenthal
 
Longshadow wrote:
Accessed via the internet.
The "drive" is made visible on the internet?
Nope.


Actually…assuming they did the security right which is a big assumption…it isn’t any less secure than DropBox or OneDrive or iCloud. Its end to end encryption and connects through a VPN or SSL connection from your house to their server to the buy you’re sharing the drive with. Very similar mode of operation as any of the other online storage services or backup services.

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Mar 7, 2024 20:18:08   #
neillaubenthal
 
charles tabb wrote:
Jerry...
I have better then that.
My son is an IT and he took my new DELL PC and added two HD's 20 TB's each and has them opperating together.
Now, when I save something it goes to both Drives.
Should one Drive fail I have a backup.
I simply remove the bad Drive and put in a new one.
It then be automatically be backed up by the good one.
I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.

Charles


Poor thinking IMO…

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Mar 7, 2024 20:45:08   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
charles tabb wrote:
...I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.

Charles


Never say never.

(But also, never say always).

{i.e. keep your mouth shut and never say anything}

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Mar 8, 2024 07:56:29   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
TriX wrote:
Your surge protection will not protect you from a lightning strike, a fire, theft or a flood, and no matter how competent your son is in IT, it’ll take magic to recover data from all your drives if any of those things happen, and the fact that the Dell is new means nothing. In fact, new machines and very old machines are the most likely to fail. Not trying to be argumentative, but having spent >25 years specializing in professional data storage for the biggest storage companies in existence, I’ve seen way too much pain caused by lost data due to all those things I mentioned. An off site copy of your data is a big hedge against loss of data.

Cheers.
Your surge protection will not protect you from a ... (show quote)


From what you say......
Nothing is safe then.
I had a friend who had his PC backed up ,on a cloud.
One day all of a sudden his Cloud disappeared.
Things can happen to anyone using a PC.

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Mar 8, 2024 08:40:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
charles tabb wrote:
From what you say......
Nothing is safe then.
I had a friend who had his PC backed up ,on a cloud.
One day all of a sudden his Cloud disappeared.
Things can happen to anyone using a PC.

So one changes clouds, just like when an external backup drive dies, one replaces the drive.
Simple.

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Mar 8, 2024 08:55:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
charles tabb wrote:
Jerry...
I have better then that.
My son is an IT and he took my new DELL PC and added two HD's 20 TB's each and has them opperating together.
Now, when I save something it goes to both Drives.
Should one Drive fail I have a backup.
I simply remove the bad Drive and put in a new one.
It then be automatically be backed up by the good one.
I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.

Charles


That sounds good - like a custom NAS.

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Mar 8, 2024 09:03:02   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
I followed Joseph Cristina's guidebook ("Digital Fort Knox") and created my own Unraid system. It has not failed me yet. It is backed up to a large UPS and Surge protection with an insurance policy. I also keep an offsite copy of an 8TB drive in a fireproof safe that gets frequent back ups.

https://jcristina.com/unraid/?v=1d20b5ff1ee9

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Mar 8, 2024 09:07:06   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
I followed Joseph Cristina's guidebook ("Digital Fort Knox") and created my own Unraid system. It has not failed me yet. It is backed up to a large UPS and Surge protection with an insurance policy. I also keep an offsite copy of an 8TB drive in a fireproof safe that gets frequent back ups.

https://jcristina.com/unraid/?v=1d20b5ff1ee9


Thanks for that.

He seems to cover lots of topics. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Joseph+Cristina

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Mar 8, 2024 10:22:54   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Thanks for that.

He seems to cover lots of topics. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Joseph+Cristina


He is quite a guy. Besides being a professional photographer he is also an inventor with patents and a manufacturer of custom blended teas. He is a friend of mine.

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Mar 8, 2024 11:02:32   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a video last night about a new product. It's offered by Synology, and it's called BeeStation. Isn't that a perfect name for a computer device?

For $200, you get a 4TB HDD in a black case with several connection points. You can back up your data to it, let friends have their own private space, and access it from anywhere via the Internet. Although this sounds like a drive in a box, it can do what regular drives can't do. There's no indication what kind of drive is inside, and the drive isn't replaceable if it fails (although I'm sure it's possible to open the case).

More details at the link below. I see they also have a BeeDrive. I suspect someone in their organization is a beekeeper.

https://bee.synology.com/en-us/BeeStation
I watched a video last night about a new product. ... (show quote)


Can't keep from smiling! I can see you getting one, taking it apart minutes after it arrives to see if it can be altered to make it better or faster.

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Mar 8, 2024 11:29:32   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
charles tabb wrote:
...I had a friend who had his PC backed up ,on a cloud.
One day all of a sudden his Cloud disappeared.
Things can happen to anyone using a PC.


Your friend was doing it wrong. Cloud backup is secondary. Local backup is primary.

Cloud backup is convenient and the cloud providers provide software to do your backup in the background so you need do nothing to ensure things are backed up. A GOOD cloud provider will provide software that will do both the cloud and the local backup in the background.

And if you do both local and cloud backup, restoration will commonly be done from your local backup because it's right there with you and you don't have bandwidth problems. If your local backup is toast, THEN you restore from the cloud.

The cloud is insurance because things happen (as you noted).
Backup requires Duplication, Distribution, and Maintenance.
Duplication requires that your files be copied to several different media.
Distribution requires that your storage media be stored in many different places.
Maintenance requires that the storage media be tested regularly to avoid corruption.

The cloud duplicates your files and distributes them to several different locations, distant from your computer by large distances.
The cloud maintains their storage media using professionals, while local backup is maintained by individuals, generally amateurs.

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Mar 8, 2024 11:47:18   #
montephoto
 
charles tabb wrote:

I don't think I will ever need a Cloud.
Charles


I hope not, but you are not protected from any disaster that might occur in your home, because
you have "all your eggs in two baskets, side by side".

Your son will not be able to recover data from fire, theft, flood, broken water pipe, natural disaster...

Maybe you will need a "cloud" backup as well.

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Mar 8, 2024 12:18:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
charles tabb wrote:
From what you say......
Nothing is safe then.
I had a friend who had his PC backed up ,on a cloud.
One day all of a sudden his Cloud disappeared.
Things can happen to anyone using a PC.

Name the company.

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