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Feb 26, 2024 12:44:13   #
AzYooper Loc: Sun Lakes AZ (Almost Phoenix)
 
To make a further comment, while I don't plan to run out and buy a new camera because I saw it used on a great shot in AZ Highways, it is nice to see that the shots are taken with ordinary cameras readily available to all serious photographers. Inspires me to get more out of my gear.

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Feb 26, 2024 12:44:39   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Knowing what I know, and not knowing what I do not know, I believe it is highly likely that the images printed in magazines have gone through post-processing where the image has been enhanced or "beautified" in several ways.

It's like my Better Half getting ready when we go on a date night. She's post-processed and I'm RAW. 😁



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Feb 26, 2024 12:46:40   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
What it comes down to is the OP was questioning why information is included that he doesn’t find useful. Others find that info useful even though their reasons might not make sense to you. As I see it, if there’s info that I may not care about I can ignore it. There’s nothing lost if they include that info for those that might like it.

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Feb 26, 2024 12:52:18   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
dennis2146 wrote:
For many photographers who do not apparently have the knowledge you have that information is something of a starting point. New photographers who may not understand the exposure triangle will use the information to take a photograph and then make adjustments until the photograph suits them and their idea of the correct exposure.

I think it is as simple as that. I feel the need to ask why posting the information seems to bother you. You aren't bound to that information are you? Have you noticed many members here will see a photo they like and then will ask the photographer what the exposure information was.

Dennis
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Oh, it really doesn't bother me at all. Certainly in certain circumstances, such as photographing waterfalls, sports, or macro, it can be helpful, but more frequently, I see it used on landscape shots or stationary wildlife, and they seldom mention if a tripod was employed. So sometimes it can be helpful, but more often it can be misleading unless conditions are similar. I'm surprised at how many comments ensued from my post, because it was only a passing musing for me.

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Feb 26, 2024 12:53:12   #
Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Then I also tell you why I did what I did. Also I would tell you that I shot the image at ISO 100 and 4 stops underexposed but I moved the exposure slider 4 stops to the right in the Adobe Camera Raw.
It appears that people think when you post something that's all you want people to see/know and you can't be asked for more. It bothers me a lot when someone posted something and I asked the person a question to verify what I thought I never got answer.
When you post something may be nobody cares but if someone wants to know more you should give answers that what I think.
Then I also tell you why I did what I did. Also I ... (show quote)


P8- I agree that the right thing to do when asked a question is to respond as politely as possible with the info asked for.

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Feb 26, 2024 12:55:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DWU2 wrote:
Oh, it really doesn't bother me at all. Certainly in certain circumstances, such as photographing waterfalls, sports, or macro, it can be helpful, but more frequently, I see it used on landscape shots or stationary wildlife, and they seldom mention if a tripod was employed. So sometimes it can be helpful, but more often it can be misleading unless conditions are similar. I'm surprised at how many comments ensued from my post, because it was only a passing musing for me.


A tripod used to take a photograph depends largely on the photographer doesn't it? You may be able to hold a camera much more steady than I can or others can. That information isn't as worthy as the exposure to some people.

You say it doesn't bother you but here you are asking the question as if the exposure information posted was a negative thing.

Have a wonderful day. I wish you well on your photographic journey,

Dennis

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Feb 26, 2024 13:07:26   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I am interested in knowing the choices the photographer made. What's the harm?



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Feb 26, 2024 13:28:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A tripod used to take a photograph depends largely on the photographer doesn't it? You may be able to hold a camera much more steady than I can or others can. That information isn't as worthy as the exposure to some people.

You say it doesn't bother you but here you are asking the question as if the exposure information posted was a negative thing.

Have a wonderful day. I wish you well on your photographic journey,

Dennis

Haha, not a negative thing, but superfluous.
But it does mean something to some people.

If someone says they used a tripod, do they get an "AttaBoy"?

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Feb 26, 2024 13:43:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Longshadow wrote:
Haha, not a negative thing, but superfluous.
But it does mean something to some people.

If someone says they used a tripod, do they get an "AttaBoy"?


Of course not an attaboy. Why should they? There are no extra points for using or not using a tripod. I use one when I think I may not be steady enough to get a good picture. Others may very well be able to hold the camera more steady than I can. There is no shame in using or not using a tripod. Never once in my life have I looked at a photograph and thought to myself, that guy must have used a tripod. I look at the picture and like it or not.

Yes the exposure does mean something to some people who might try to copy and take a similar photograph. Is that a negative? Don't each of us try our best to take the best photo we can? Does using a tripod or not make any difference in the end product? Does starting off with a similar exposure make any difference at all? Not to me. I do not use the exposure data from other people but of course some people do. I fail to see that problem there is in that.

Dennis

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Feb 26, 2024 13:50:06   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
Now in the digital age with immediate feedback as to what your exposure produces, it becomes less important as a learning tool. But when I was learning photography, I wanted to see the impact of adjusting exposure settings. I bought the data back to imprint the data on my negatives. That’s how I learned.

Sometimes it does provide insight into the quality of the faster pro lenses than the cheaper kit lenses that so many people use. Why spend so much more on a 2.8, when a 4.0 is available for half the price? The answers lie in the photos.

I appreciate seeing exposure information on certain images. I see no harm in providing it. If you don’t want to see it, don’t read it. It’s pretty simple.

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Feb 26, 2024 13:59:27   #
Doyle Thomas Loc: Vancouver Washington ~ USA
 
DWU2 wrote:
Maybe it helps figure which cameras take good pictures.


lol

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Feb 26, 2024 14:04:52   #
Doyle Thomas Loc: Vancouver Washington ~ USA
 
i agree, those just starting may find it useful (or so they think) and others just want a "formula"

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Feb 26, 2024 14:37:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DWU2 wrote:
I've never seen the point when photo magazines and other publications like Arizona Highways print the shutter speed, f/stop, ISO, and lens information regarding the photos they take. Is this supposed to be educational? The settings were good for that particular time on that particular day, but maybe not so good at other times. They usually don't mention if a tripod was used. Am I missing something?


As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell you it is of extremely low significance in the grand scheme of things. It is more likely to be grossly misinterpreted by people who don't understand what they're reading, than it is to be helpful to someone who understands it.

Exposure FORMULAS don't matter. PRINCIPLES matter. If you learn the principles behind the formulas others use, you can create your own formulas from intuition to suit the many situations you encounter. Seeing "f/8 at 1/125 second at ISO 200" doesn't tell me jack crap. What film or sensor format was used? What lens was used? What sort of lighting was used? Was any ND filter or polarizer or other filtration placed over the lens? Those are just a few of the hundreds of questions that would be possible to ask about those exposure triangle statistics.

Every now and then, some noob asks why UHH doesn't require exposure data be listed with submissions. They get insulted when you tell them it's mostly useless drivel without adding half a page of additional information.

Noob: "What settings did you use to make that picture?"

Experienced photographer: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. You would just use my settings in the wrong situation and think I'm an idiot or a liar trying to keep secrets. Go learn the principles of photography and you'll know what to do. The settings I used worked at that instant for that scene, because I applied the principles. Your situations will vary."

Good photographers are like good jazz musicians. They know how to improvise, based on the moment.

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Feb 26, 2024 14:38:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell you it is of extremely low significance in the grand scheme of things. It is more likely to be grossly misinterpreted by people who don't understand what they're reading, than it is to be helpful to someone who understands it.

Exposure FORMULAS don't matter. PRINCIPLES matter. If you learn the principles behind the formulas others use, you can create your own formulas from intuition to suit the many situations you encounter. Seeing "f/8 at 1/125 second at ISO 200" doesn't tell me jack crap. What film or sensor format was used? What lens was used? What sort of lighting was used? Was any ND filter or polarizer or other filtration placed over the lens? Those are just a few of the hundreds of questions that would be possible to ask about those exposure triangle statistics.

Every now and then, some noob asks why UHH doesn't require exposure data be listed with submissions. They get insulted when you tell them it's mostly useless drivel without adding half a page of additional information.

Noob: "What settings did you use to make that picture?"

Experienced photographer: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. You would just use my settings in the wrong situation and think I'm an idiot or a liar trying to keep secrets. Go learn the principles of photography and you'll know what to do. The settings I used worked at that instant for that scene, because I applied the principles. Your situations will vary."

Good photographers are like good jazz musicians. They know how to improvise, based on the moment.
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell... (show quote)


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Feb 26, 2024 15:02:28   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell you it is of extremely low significance in the grand scheme of things. It is more likely to be grossly misinterpreted by people who don't understand what they're reading, than it is to be helpful to someone who understands it.

Exposure FORMULAS don't matter. PRINCIPLES matter. If you learn the principles behind the formulas others use, you can create your own formulas from intuition to suit the many situations you encounter. Seeing "f/8 at 1/125 second at ISO 200" doesn't tell me jack crap. What film or sensor format was used? What lens was used? What sort of lighting was used? Was any ND filter or polarizer or other filtration placed over the lens? Those are just a few of the hundreds of questions that would be possible to ask about those exposure triangle statistics.

Every now and then, some noob asks why UHH doesn't require exposure data be listed with submissions. They get insulted when you tell them it's mostly useless drivel without adding half a page of additional information.

Noob: "What settings did you use to make that picture?"

Experienced photographer: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. You would just use my settings in the wrong situation and think I'm an idiot or a liar trying to keep secrets. Go learn the principles of photography and you'll know what to do. The settings I used worked at that instant for that scene, because I applied the principles. Your situations will vary."

Good photographers are like good jazz musicians. They know how to improvise, based on the moment.
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell... (show quote)


Completely agree with you.

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