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Feb 26, 2024 15:11:10   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
burkphoto wrote:
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell you it is of extremely low significance in the grand scheme of things. It is more likely to be grossly misinterpreted by people who don't understand what they're reading, than it is to be helpful to someone who understands it.

Exposure FORMULAS don't matter. PRINCIPLES matter. If you learn the principles behind the formulas others use, you can create your own formulas from intuition to suit the many situations you encounter. Seeing "f/8 at 1/125 second at ISO 200" doesn't tell me jack crap. What film or sensor format was used? What lens was used? What sort of lighting was used? Was any ND filter or polarizer or other filtration placed over the lens? Those are just a few of the hundreds of questions that would be possible to ask about those exposure triangle statistics.

Every now and then, some noob asks why UHH doesn't require exposure data be listed with submissions. They get insulted when you tell them it's mostly useless drivel without adding half a page of additional information.

Noob: "What settings did you use to make that picture?"

Experienced photographer: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. You would just use my settings in the wrong situation and think I'm an idiot or a liar trying to keep secrets. Go learn the principles of photography and you'll know what to do. The settings I used worked at that instant for that scene, because I applied the principles. Your situations will vary."

Good photographers are like good jazz musicians. They know how to improvise, based on the moment.
As a lifetime photographer since age 5, I can tell... (show quote)


Yessir!! This should be required reading...

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Feb 26, 2024 15:23:14   #
ColoPete
 
NickGee wrote:
It's not odd at all, nor is it meaningless. Insofar as we can learn anything from looking at quality photographs, there is much to be gleaned from seeing how others manage exposure. It's not a big deal. But it is a deal.


+10000. I follow and admire a nature photographer on FB, and she almost always includes information about exposure as well as camera and lens used for almost every shot she posts. A few others do, as well. I find such information to be invaluable and it enhances my understanding of the shots as well as my own equipment, and occasionally challenges my assumptions of what can be achieved, especially with modern cameras. I try and follow her example when I post my shots in case others may find it useful or interesting. I am not a pro but neither am I a novice, having enjoyed the hobby of photography for nearly 50 years and I am still learning.

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Feb 26, 2024 15:50:57   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
burkphoto wrote:
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Experienced photographer: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. You would just use my settings in the wrong situation and think I'm an idiot or a liar trying to keep secrets. Go learn the principles of photography and you'll know what to do. The settings I used worked at that instant for that scene, because I applied the principles. Your situations will vary."


Very well said. But I did not know what I know today before I learned it.

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Feb 26, 2024 16:38:26   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Curiosity would be different for an experienced photographer than a novice, I think.

Another point that's brought up in the periodic main discussion topics on this subject is that, if someone is curious, they should ask. That way, there is the opportunity for the photographer to explain their choices, and perhaps for a little learning to take place.


Nice advice, except that, typically, I don't have that option when I see a photo in a magazine.

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Feb 26, 2024 16:57:18   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Well said. There's still the issue, though, of how does one assess if we don't know the reasons the photographer chose those settings. For a novice with little experience, and no guidance except the numbers, that's going to be tough.


I know I'll regret it, but I'll step in.

I can recall reviewing several lovely images of a photographer whose name I cannot recall, all of which were shot at f/22. I can recall being taught that, at f/22, one runs the risk of diffraction ruining the result, so I avoided it. Having reviewed this photographer's examples, I decided to give f/22 ... and, yes, even f/32 ... a try. The results have often been quite satisfying. I, of course, have no idea why that photographer chose f/22, and I don't give a rat's refuse. Still, I learned a lesson I have found useful, though I am nearly 150% certain others here will say I have erred.

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Feb 26, 2024 16:59:45   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
[quote=cbtsam] error

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Feb 26, 2024 17:06:11   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
It's a quarterly topic. You just haven't been around enough the past few years, Mike.


Do you mean to say that I need to spend more time here??

Tell me if I am understanding the point people are making about this issue. If the settings used for taking an image are included with an image, people who are new to photography will copy those settings and they will do that rather than learning the basics of photography.

Is that the only problem people have with camera settings being published along with an image?

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Feb 26, 2024 17:11:32   #
Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA
 
Longshadow wrote:

I never want to know them, nor the camera used.
But some people do.
Not sure what they do with the information though.


P1- I usually don't worry about those things, but when I post in the smartphone section, it is requested that you share what your phone is, so I try to do so.

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Feb 26, 2024 17:40:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DWU2 wrote:
Maybe it helps figure which cameras take good pictures.


All of them and none of them. "Good pictures" happen about six or seven inches behind the camera...

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Feb 26, 2024 17:49:48   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Do you mean to say that I need to spend more time here??

Tell me if I am understanding the point people are making about this issue. If the settings used for taking an image are included with an image, people who are new to photography will copy those settings and they will do that rather than learning the basics of photography.

Is that the only problem people have with camera settings being published along with an image?
Do you mean to say that I need to spend b more /b... (show quote)


As I see it trying settings and not achieving the desired results is also a learning experience.

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Feb 26, 2024 17:57:54   #
BebuLamar
 
cbtsam wrote:
I know I'll regret it, but I'll step in.

I can recall reviewing several lovely images of a photographer whose name I cannot recall, all of which were shot at f/22. I can recall being taught that, at f/22, one runs the risk of diffraction ruining the result, so I avoided it. Having reviewed this photographer's examples, I decided to give f/22 ... and, yes, even f/32 ... a try. The results have often been quite satisfying. I, of course, have no idea why that photographer chose f/22, and I don't give a rat's refuse. Still, I learned a lesson I have found useful, though I am nearly 150% certain others here will say I have erred.
I know I'll regret it, but I'll step in. br br ... (show quote)


Wow. You use f/22 and f/32 and you liked it but don't know why?

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Feb 26, 2024 18:18:28   #
Beenthere
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
UHH Photo Gallery guidelines follow the same curious logic:

"Try to include the specifications of your gear and settings in the post accompanying the pictures. Stating aperture, shutter speed, ISO would be great. Even better would be to also include your body and lens specs. This really helps others learn what settings work in various scenarios."

In the periodic main photography discussion topics about inclusion of exif in comments, there are many who want and who feel there's value. I am not one of those
UHH Photo Gallery guidelines follow the same curio... (show quote)


I believe This Information can be helpful to some.., especially if their gear is similar, and that's a "BIG IF". It also might help if someone is learning, or a beginner? Other than that it is fairly useless. Of course one has the option of skipping this information altogether, particularly if their has been a lot of post processing, where the camera settings become irrelevant...

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Feb 26, 2024 18:26:43   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
As I see it trying settings and not achieving the desired results is also a learning experience.


Exactly.

I guess that way back when I was a teen I was interested to see the settings accompanying images in the magazines, but that didn't keep me from learning the basics and I never thought that the key to success was copying someone else's settings.

I suspect that at least some who are arguing against settings being published don't use settings at all, they just let the camera make those decisions.

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Feb 26, 2024 18:45:01   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
For what its worth, I don't think we need a research paper on the prevailing settings and conditions under which a shot was taken but some info is nice if we are drilling down a little on maybe the main subject matter such as amount of cotton candy in a waterfall etc... Or maybe what ND was used to get a certain effect. Actually I kind of like all the info myself...

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Feb 26, 2024 18:51:01   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Wow. You use f/22 and f/32 and you liked it but don't know why?


I certainly know why I liked the results the other photographer got, and why I liked the results that I got, but I've no idea what the other photographer was thinking. You have to understand: I'm getting on in years, and my mind-reading faculties have slowly deteriorated to virtually nothing.

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