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Dec 7, 2023 15:37:55   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
TonyF wrote:
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiving and wanted me to take their photos, different sets of people, etc. I told her I don't do people, but they insisted.

After some pp, I think the photos came out pretty good and so do they. I then had some 4x6 photos printed at CVS and had them pick out what they wanted.

Well, they do not want the glossy finish. So I went to MPIX which I've seen mentioned here a number of times. I had a chat session and wanted to find out about their finish. This is what they said, '...we have the standard semi gloss that would have a sheen but it is not glossy, or we have a deep matte giclee that would have no sheen at all..."

In your opinion, will MPIX's standard finish (semi gloss) be what my neighbor wants?

As an aside, the one photo of the whole family (of course that one) I screwed up and didn't leave enough space on the sides for an 8x10 that they want, but I can do an 8x12.
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiv... (show quote)


The standard finish is probably what some would call lustre. I have always printed portraits on true matte finish paper. I think it always looks better than gloss or lustre.

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Dec 7, 2023 15:42:29   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Tony, have a look at www.printique.com, formerly Adoramapix. They have a number of finish options. I've always used their luster paper - "A customer favorite and our most popular option, our Luster Photographic Paper has a micro texture with medium reflectiveness and contrast. This paper is the recommended option for Photo Books, Albums, and Prints."

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Dec 7, 2023 15:53:33   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Here you go:



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Dec 7, 2023 15:58:22   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Here you go:


I forgot to store the original so you could download it.


(Download)

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Dec 7, 2023 16:01:12   #
TonyF Loc: Bradenton, FL
 
[quote=JohnSwanda]I forgot to store the original so you could download it.[/quot

PM sent. No need to email it now. Thank you again!

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Dec 7, 2023 16:10:53   #
Spiney Loc: Reading, PA
 
My wife and I had a portrait studio for 15 years. We printed almost 90% on semi-matte or luster. The rest canvas. We used Millers the parent of MPix.

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Dec 7, 2023 17:09:06   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Used Generative Fill in Photoshop to make up the top and bottom. I did the top first, and I thought it did a great job. Wasn't expecting such a good job on the bottom, though. I think it looks pretty good.

EDIT:
Just saw the photo posted above. No wonder Photoshop did a good job; it had seen the photo before!


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Dec 7, 2023 17:34:53   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
jlocke wrote:
Used Generative Fill in Photoshop to make up the top and bottom. I did the top first, and I thought it did a great job. Wasn't expecting such a good job on the bottom, though. I think it looks pretty good.

EDIT:
Just saw the photo posted above. No wonder Photoshop did a good job; it had seen the photo before!


I also added just a little more space on the sides since it was composed so tight, and a frame might cut into the arms.

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Dec 7, 2023 20:42:04   #
Michael1079 Loc: Indiana
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I also added just a little more space on the sides since it was composed so tight, and a frame might cut into the arms.


Wow...that is impressive!

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Dec 7, 2023 20:55:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TonyF wrote:
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiving and wanted me to take their photos, different sets of people, etc. I told her I don't do people, but they insisted.

After some pp, I think the photos came out pretty good and so do they. I then had some 4x6 photos printed at CVS and had them pick out what they wanted.

Well, they do not want the glossy finish. So I went to MPIX which I've seen mentioned here a number of times. I had a chat session and wanted to find out about their finish. This is what they said, '...we have the standard semi gloss that would have a sheen but it is not glossy, or we have a deep matte giclee that would have no sheen at all..."

In your opinion, will MPIX's standard finish (semi gloss) be what my neighbor wants?

As an aside, the one photo of the whole family (of course that one) I screwed up and didn't leave enough space on the sides for an 8x10 that they want, but I can do an 8x12.
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiv... (show quote)


Their standard finish probably will be the industry standard 'E' surface, which is embossed lightly with a stippling effect. It is a little glossy. A true Matte paper has a smooth, gloss-free surface. The "giclee" matte is an inkjet print, which lasts five times longer than regular photo paper (and probably costs five times as much!). Giclee is just a term for high-end inkjet printing, using archival pigment inks on archival quality papers.

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Dec 7, 2023 21:03:00   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Michael1079 wrote:
Wow...that is impressive!


It's great we can now solve an old problem with AI - having a photo which has a different aspect ratio than the frame the photographer wants to use. I had a photo lab back in the day and I was constantly having to explain to people why I couldn't print their entire 35mm image on a borderless 8x10.

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Dec 7, 2023 21:10:20   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
burkphoto wrote:
Their standard finish probably will be the industry standard 'E' surface, which is embossed lightly with a stippling effect. It is a little glossy. A true Matte paper has a smooth, gloss-free surface. The "giclee" matte is an inkjet print, which lasts five times longer than regular photo paper (and probably costs five times as much!). Giclee is just a term for high-end inkjet printing, using archival pigment inks on archival quality papers.


I use Epson's Exhibition Fiber Paper for my printing. They call it "Soft Gloss", and it was designed to have the look and feel of air dried double weight silver fiber paper with the F surface, which I used back in my darkroom days, and I think they nailed it.

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Dec 7, 2023 21:24:13   #
National Park
 
TonyF wrote:
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiving and wanted me to take their photos, different sets of people, etc. I told her I don't do people, but they insisted.

After some pp, I think the photos came out pretty good and so do they. I then had some 4x6 photos printed at CVS and had them pick out what they wanted.

Well, they do not want the glossy finish. So I went to MPIX which I've seen mentioned here a number of times. I had a chat session and wanted to find out about their finish. This is what they said, '...we have the standard semi gloss that would have a sheen but it is not glossy, or we have a deep matte giclee that would have no sheen at all..."

In your opinion, will MPIX's standard finish (semi gloss) be what my neighbor wants?

As an aside, the one photo of the whole family (of course that one) I screwed up and didn't leave enough space on the sides for an 8x10 that they want, but I can do an 8x12.
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiv... (show quote)


Possibly have MPIX print one each way, show them to your neighbor and then ask which they want?

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Dec 7, 2023 22:13:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I use Epson's Exhibition Fiber Paper for my printing. They call it "Soft Gloss", and it was designed to have the look and feel of air dried double weight silver fiber paper with the F surface, which I used back in my darkroom days, and I think they nailed it.


Yeah, I really like Exhibition Fiber. It is like the old F surface fiber paper that has not been dried on ferrotype plates.

I still have one of those old ferrotype print dryers and three plates. I quit using it the day I saw RC paper in the camera store! Early RC matte papers were pretty awful, but the glossy surface was decent.

The first time I toured the school portrait lab where I spent most of my career, they showed me photos of old drum dryers — four foot wide, four foot diameter drums with ferrotype surfaces. There were heaters inside, and infrared lamps on the outside to dry the paper rapidly as it was stretched around the drums. These were located between a long roll paper processor and a trimmer. They had been removed in the early 1970s, after the switch to RC papers.

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Dec 8, 2023 05:26:01   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
TonyF wrote:
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiving and wanted me to take their photos, different sets of people, etc. I told her I don't do people, but they insisted.

After some pp, I think the photos came out pretty good and so do they. I then had some 4x6 photos printed at CVS and had them pick out what they wanted.

Well, they do not want the glossy finish. So I went to MPIX which I've seen mentioned here a number of times. I had a chat session and wanted to find out about their finish. This is what they said, '...we have the standard semi gloss that would have a sheen but it is not glossy, or we have a deep matte giclee that would have no sheen at all..."

In your opinion, will MPIX's standard finish (semi gloss) be what my neighbor wants?

As an aside, the one photo of the whole family (of course that one) I screwed up and didn't leave enough space on the sides for an 8x10 that they want, but I can do an 8x12.
A neighbor had their whole family in for Thanksgiv... (show quote)


I would recommend Luster paper. See below..

https://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/best-inkjet-paper-for-portrait-wedding-printing.html

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