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Oct 26, 2023 20:57:20   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I think a more specific question might have gotten a better response. AI in photography takes many forms, from sharpening or noise reduction to adding computer-generated imagery to photographs. What type of AI are you using?


I use AI for certain retouching procedures in portraiture- removal of blemishes, and moderate skin smoothing- nothing radical. In commercial work, I use it on certain jobs where the budget does not provide for elaborate locations or props. I start with a good basic shot and add some atmosphere. I do not entirely generate any images from scratch- that work is for digital artists.

Perhaps another or better response would be more specific or instructive, but at least my contribution was not sarcastic, unwelcoming, or demeaning.

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Oct 26, 2023 21:01:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Beauty is not in the eye, but in the mind, and knowing that others can't tell that AI generated the image.

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Oct 26, 2023 21:03:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Beauty is not in the eye, but in the mind, and knowing that others can't tell that AI generated the image.

Who is this guy AI, and why is he creating all these controversial images?

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Oct 26, 2023 21:23:52   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
bnnsradio wrote:
E.L., I really love your reply to the question. I am new to this forum and based on the previous discussion (before yours) I was ready to bow out and quit the forum. I get a lot of the BS, like the previous comments and it really disgusts me. I love open discussion on any topic and I do know that AI can be boring to some but I see it as the real future of everything. I believe it's success or failure will ultimately be determined by the client(s) responses to the product and the results it generates. As a commercial/professional photographer success or failure will depend on the client's response. AI can be recognized by the keen eye which will reflect the photographer's reputation. The average person viewing a photo will never see the edits (unless it is so bad) and it will produce the ohoooos and has that usually come from the viewer. Anyway, E.L. I really do appreciate your honesty and accuracy in your response rather than the rubbish from the other contributors. Thanks again and I might stay here for a while because there are some people still here that appreciate real discussion. I just wish that those who don't like a topic or are tired of a topic would just leave the conversation rather than destroy it.
E.L., I really love your reply to the question. I ... (show quote)


I am sorry that your debut on the forum was met with less than kind remarks. Sadly, that seems to be occurring more and more on this site each day. Strangely enough,I received the same reception when I posted my first remarks- several years ago. I simply introduced myself as a full-time and long-time professional photographer without any bragging or inference of superiority and received a kinda of "who do you think you are" response. I decided to sign off and never come back but was convinced to stay by a kind person who read into my post about wedding photography. Frankly, things have not changed- there are still lots of bickering and nasty responses.There are many good folks who offset the wise guys- sadly, some have left and a few have recently passed away. I have lately decided to cut down on my screen time here! Some of the goings on are indeed "disgusting" or at least disheartening. ! Some day I will pack it in but bad habits die hard. I confine my activities here to answering technical questions and trying to avoid unnecessary confrontations.

In any event welcome to the forum. It seems the non-existent welcoming committee had the day off!



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Oct 26, 2023 22:27:50   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Hey, read my post before responding. I'm not the OP and I don't need your s..t for agreeing with you. Rest assured it won't happen again


He's a little difficult to communicate with sometimes, isn't he?!

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Oct 26, 2023 22:42:43   #
cliff Hilbert Loc: Plano, TX
 
Paul, what did you have for dinner?

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Oct 26, 2023 23:22:24   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Longshadow wrote:


Double exposure is a reality of photography.
However "ghosts" are not.


I resent, or maybe resemble, that

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Oct 27, 2023 00:34:30   #
srherrmann Loc: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
 
I drop in on UHH from time to time and it's been the same for years, it's like the wild west. There is a site for primarily Nikon shooters called Nikonians which I find is more constructive in it's criticisms than what you find here.

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Oct 27, 2023 00:38:25   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
If you need to create or abide by "rules" as to the ethics in photography- try these on for size and see if they fit:

Serios image alteration has no place in pure photojournalism or documentary photography. Aim series retouching or editing that distorts the truth is not acceptable.

In fine artwork, you are the boss. You can opt for reality or fantasy. Nobody should tell you what to do.

Commercial work. I do not advocate false advertising or exaggerating the appearance of any product or service to the extent of creating a fallacy or affectation completely beyond reality. Commercial clients usually want their products and services displayed (visually) at their very best. IA may help add background, environment, and some enhancement in a reasonable and honest manner. There are consumer protection laws in place to prevent misrepresentation in food packaging. Eg. In a frozen food product, you can shot it cooked in the best possible way but you can not substitute fresh product- you have to shoot the product as it is packed and frozen. Commercial clients usually want idealized images of the products or services. We style and style interiors, carefully prepare food photography, pay attest to detail in fashion work, and show even the most mundane products with optimized lighting and camera angles. There are AI additions that can represent a product without falsification.

Portraiture: Most cliets want flatterig images. Retouching is one of the traditional treatments of accomplishing. this. There has been digital software that has replaced manual retouching for quite some time. Now they are marketed as AI. Personally, I consult with each subject and ascertain if the prefer a realistic study or a more enhanced rendition of their appearance. I light, shoot, and retouch accordingly.

To the viewers, clients, or patrons of your art, a photograph is not a camera club competition or technical workshop. The are buying, utilizing or enjoying your images regardless of how the are produced.

AI will not be the end of traditional photography, literature, or any other real discipline. The quacks, phonies, and bad guys will use it for nefarious or dishonest purposes. The "yellow journalists" will become more "yellow"! Honest folks will utilize it like any other tool or technology. For the folks around here who love to argue- constant crabbing about AI certainly outfilters, Canon vs Nikon (etc.), and whether post-processing is legitimate altogether!

The other day a client asked me of one day "will I (me) be replaced by a robot. I told him it would never happen because they would NOT find a robot that was big and ugly enough to replicate me- and it will change you MORE money!

If you like my philosophy, you are welcome to utilize it or any part of it. If you disagree, that's good too! We ca still be friends!
If you need to create or abide by "rules"... (show quote)


fully agree, especially the robot part but not for the same reason
Ugly is easy, and I don't think you look any worse than I*. It's your good parts they can not replicate

On another point, I have nothing against technology but I think "Artificial" intelligence is a misnomer. Logically, that means stupid.
Machine learning is the more appropriate call.

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*I wooed a bunch of females but got busted more than a semi-truck has tires... plus the reserves.
So at almost 30 years old and without a girlfriend, I ask my mum "Am I ugly?".

Her unforgettable answer was "go wash the dishes".

Can't get worse that that, even my mom approves I'm no looker.

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Oct 27, 2023 02:16:11   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For breakfast, I had a couple of English muffins with butter and jam and a Granny Smith apple. Oh yes, black coffee too.


Let's salvage this thread and make it interesting, so, can you tell us what flavor jam?

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Oct 27, 2023 05:11:18   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
ImageCreator wrote:
Many of the UHH posts are nothing more than Facebook posts. Not worth reading. It hard to find something photographically interesting. Even most image submissions are marginal at best.



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Oct 27, 2023 06:34:53   #
Gatorcoach Loc: New Jersey
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For breakfast, I had a couple of English muffins with butter and jam and a Granny Smith apple. Oh yes, black coffee too.


Black coffee OK, but if you start adding sugar and cream is it still coffee??

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Oct 27, 2023 06:35:14   #
BE KIND
 
bnnsradio wrote:
I have an open discussion with a "professional photographer" concerning the use of AI in photography. My discussion is this: Does the use of AI in photography affect the reality of photography/the photograph?


Some members never quite matured or are products of bad parenting. They know who they are and everyone will when the guilty as charged post a rebuttal.

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Oct 27, 2023 06:54:07   #
Red6
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
What’s the opposite of artificial intelligence? The UHH community worrying about AI images.


It is photography's current new boogeyman. Being involved in several hobbies in addition to photography, I have noticed over the years that just about all hobbies or professions seem to have one.

The boogeyman always seems to be something new, unknown, or unfamiliar that is upsetting the current state of practitioners of the hobby or profession.

A couple of decades ago it was the film-to-digital transition, a few years ago it was the DSLR to mirrorless issue and now it seems like it is AI. This too shall pass into history and be accepted as normal.

I have also learned over the years that as technology progresses there are always a few that simply cannot or will not advance to the next step. This is OK. Most likely all of us will face that choice at some point.

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Oct 27, 2023 06:55:11   #
Tjohn Loc: Inverness, FL formerly Arivaca, AZ
 
Remember the term, 'Artificial Intelligence'.

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