Nobel Prize for medicine awarded to the developers of the Covid vaccine (Page 3): My CPA and his wife, both of whom were in their late 70's, decided to take a nice trip to Spain a few...

SteveR Loc: Michigan

My CPA and his wife, both of whom were in their late 70's, decided to take a nice trip to Spain a few weeks ago. Somehow, on the way home, she picked up Covid and ended up dying. So, it's still out there, and it can still kill.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

ruzbynik wrote:

Thank you TriX for that info. Recheck that data and you will see that the US does indeed have most total deaths. The death rate chart does surprise me though that Canada has a higher rate than the US. Isn't it strange how Africa seems to have avoided the pandemic despite almost no vaccination?

With all due respect, that’s a disingenuous argument - it’s not the total deaths, it’s the percentage that matters. By your logic, a small country (by population) will always have a lower death toll, even if everyone in that country dies.

As far as AfrIca goes, it’s hard to catagorize Africa as a whole since there are so many countries, and many agree that the reporting of deaths from Africa as a whole has been sporadic and underreported.

And sadly, the US has only a 68% full vaccination rate, partly because the existing government during Covid downplayed the seriousness of the disease.

Finally, the vaccine has never been touted to prevent infection, but instead to ameliorate the symptoms and their severity and the need for hospitalization, which it has been shown to do very effectively. I, like Bill, finally acquired Covid, but being completely vaccinated and having been prescribed Paxlovid, it was no worse than a mild bout of the flu despite my advanced age and having cardiovascular disease. I credit that to the vaccine.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but proselytizing an anti-vax agenda in spite of all the positive data supporting its effectiveness can cost lives unnecessarily.

Tote1940 Loc: Dallas

mRNA technology is just begining! Not only many vaccines possible but also potential in Cancer, genetic diseases etc.
It is really an incredible breakthrough
Amazing, so well deserved.

goofybruce

Understand...they did not "discover" the Covid vaccine. These scientists/researchers -- over several years -- developed the technology of how to use the structure of a virus to defeat that virus. That breakthrough enabled other scientists at several companies to develop the specific anti-Covid vaccine independently and in such a short time.

ggttc Loc: TN

ruzbynik wrote:

They appear to be proper estimates based on mathematical modeling. If you look at death rates in highly vaccinated countries vs unvaccinated it suggests that the actual data doesn't jive with those estimates. The least vaccinated countries have the lowest deaths from covid. Why does the US have the worlds highest death toll?

Because it had the biggest anti vax movement.

Did you or anyone you know ever have polio? Just asking.

Tex-s

ricardo00 wrote:

There are many reasons for different rates in different countries, from different genetic make-ups, different predisposing factors (higher obesity rates in the US, higher levels of asthma/allergies in developed countries, etc), as well as potential under reporting in some countries (ie. China, India, etc). On the other hand, modeling always makes assumptions, so it is hard to quantify the exact value of a COVID vaccine though based on the clinical trials, I personally choose to get them.

No offense intended, but the most rational explanation for the lower death totals and percentages in many poorer, less modern countries is simply that those people live in contact with pathogens at a much higher rate and are much more physically fit than the average American. As a result, they have fewer co-morbidities AND stronger immune response.

Dbrow411 Loc: South Daytona, FL

HIV is a very unusual virus. Not only does it mutate very rapidly but as part of it's attack strategy, it directly attacks the cells in the immune system that should be fighting it. By the way, I'm not a doctor, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night (and have read about this before). 😉

ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC

TimmyKnowles wrote:

Not propaganda, science. Heard of it/

If you believe in vaccine pusher science, take a look at Pfizer's criminal rap sheet. Neither is Anthony Fauci the fount of scientific knowledge.

ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC

Tex-s wrote:

No offense intended, but the most rational explanation for the lower death totals and percentages in many poorer, less modern countries is simply that those people live in contact with pathogens at a much higher rate and are much more physically fit than the average American. As a result, they have fewer co-morbidities AND stronger immune response.

Yes, I agree with you, but are those factors enough to account for the large disparity?

Mrsmoses Loc: Oregon

apacs1 wrote:

Don't get vaccinated. Use clorox.

Funny how all the antivacers can't see a good thing when its right in their face. I don't know
how many people died from taking Ivermectin that I use every 6 months on my horses. Its not
for use on people nor is the clorox.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

ruzbynik wrote:

Yes, I agree with you, but are those factors enough to account for the large disparity?

So let’s be clear here - are you anti vax in general, or just anti the Covid vaccine?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

ruzbynik wrote:

Thats a lot of spike protein. Doesn't it cause some doubt about the efficacy of this stuff?

HELL NO. I have zero regrets about any vaccinations that have been proven safe and effective via millions of doses and countless deaths prevented. Besides, I don't twitch. Much.

Science moves in fits and starts, and it quite often meanders through messy, cluttered paths. But the data eventually point out both failures and successes. mRNA technology will probably yield many more successful vaccines, and the research behind them will lead to still other technologies.

The leading right wing conspiracy theorists are, perhaps, behind a conspiracy of science denial designed to keep the unvaccinated sick and dying. Negative population growth among the ignorant and uneducated and über-fundamentalist conservative populations has long been a desire of the elite 1%. The more life-span retarding myths and strategies they can encourage and spread among the masses, the fewer armed "crazies" they have to worry about knocking on their doors when global warming leads to global scarcity and anarchy.

(I think that makes as much sense as the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt being spread by the anti-vaxxers.)

Life itself is one big experiment and one big gamble. We see its random nature frequently enough when fires, floods, volcanoes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, and earthquakes suddenly kill a large group of people. An asteroid could wander into our orbit and render Earth uninhabitable in a few hours. A madman could "press the button," nuking us all to oblivion. Lightning could strike. There is no end to the list of potential disasters one COULD worry about, along with the effects of cancer, heart disease, AIDS, tobacco smoking, alcohol, opiates, sugar and trans-fat consumption, driving a car, flying in a plane, catching blood borne diseases from mosquitos, eating tainted food, tripping over a LEGO in a dark hallway, etc.

Something is going to get each of us. I'm for maximizing whatever chances of living that I can, and not worrying about things I cannot control. Thankfully, we have some smart scientists who try to make the world a little better. I'll continue to get vaccinated. RSV is next, later this month.

Dbrow411 Loc: South Daytona, FL

This is a forum that I participate in precisely for the fact that it's a respite from political nonsense. This will be my last comment on this one but I can't leave without pointing out the fact that Dr. Fauchi is one of the foremost infectious disease experts in this country. Every time I see comments like this, it's based on a political agenda rather than anything remotely resembling a fact. I'm done on this one.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

burkphoto wrote:

HELL NO. I have zero regrets about any vaccinations that have been proven safe and effective via millions of doses and countless deaths prevented. Besides, I don't twitch. Much.

Science moves in fits and starts, and it quite often meanders through messy, cluttered paths. But the data eventually point out both failures and successes. mRNA technology will probably yield many more successful vaccines, and the research behind them will lead to still other technologies.

The leading right wing conspiracy theorists are, perhaps, behind a conspiracy of science denial designed to keep the unvaccinated sick and dying. Negative population growth among the ignorant and uneducated and über-fundamentalist conservative populations has long been a desire of the elite 1%. The more life-span retarding myths and strategies they can encourage and spread among the masses, the fewer armed "crazies" they have to worry about knocking on their doors when global warming leads to global scarcity and anarchy.

(I think that makes as much sense as the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt being spread by the anti-vaxxers.)

Life itself is one big experiment and one big gamble. We see its random nature frequently enough when fires, floods, volcanoes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, and earthquakes suddenly kill a large group of people. An asteroid could wander into our orbit and render Earth uninhabitable in a few hours. A madman could "press the button," nuking us all to oblivion. Lightning could strike. There is no end to the list of potential disasters one COULD worry about, along with the effects of cancer, heart disease, AIDS, tobacco smoking, alcohol, opiates, sugar and trans-fat consumption, driving a car, flying in a plane, catching blood borne diseases from mosquitos, eating tainted food, tripping over a LEGO in a dark hallway, etc.

Something is going to get each of us. I'm for maximizing whatever chances of living that I can, and not worrying about things I cannot control. Thankfully, we have some smart scientists who try to make the world a little better. I'll continue to get vaccinated. RSV is next, later this month.

HELL NO. I have zero regrets about any vaccination... (show quote)

Well said Bill. Nothing scares me more for this country than the anti-vax, anti-science, anti-climate change, anti-education, everything is a “deep state” conspiracy wing of our population.

ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC

TriX wrote:

With all due respect, that’s a disingenuous argume... (show quote)

I respect what you say but allow me to correct a few points. My correct statement that the US had the most deaths from covid does not imply faulty logic but merely a statement of fact. I completely agree that percentages are a more telling factor. Was the vaccine never touted to prevent infection.? Did you forget what Joe Biden, the CDC and many talking heads claimed repeatedly? I'm happy that you survived covid and that we can engage in this discussion. I too experienced covid as a mild bout of flu. I was laid up in bed for a day and took no drugs and despite being a 76 year old unvaxed person, I am just fine. I don't think it was dumb luck but my focus on natural health vs drug based health.