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Nobel Prize for medicine awarded to the developers of the Covid vaccine
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Oct 3, 2023 21:04:03   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
Mrsmoses wrote:
Funny how all the antivacers can't see a good thing when its right in their face. I don't know
how many people died from taking Ivermectin that I use every 6 months on my horses. Its not
for use on people nor is the Clorox.


You are right about Clorox but wrong about Ivermectin. It is a commonly prescribed drug for humans.

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Oct 3, 2023 21:14:36   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
ggttc wrote:
Because it had the biggest anti vax movement.

Did you or anyone you know ever have polio? Just asking.


Yes a classmate in elementary school was a polio survivor. He was a bit shorter than average due to the polio but very strong and fit.

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Oct 3, 2023 21:15:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ruzbynik wrote:
You are right about Clorox but wrong about Ivermectin. It is a commonly prescribed drug for humans.


To treat intestinal parasitic worms, not Covid

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Oct 3, 2023 21:39:06   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
TriX wrote:
So let’s be clear here - are you anti vax in general, or just anti the Covid vaccine?


I've been vaccinated for Tetanus, Smallpox and I think a vaccine for Tuberculosis but not sure about that one. The covid vax required a redefinition of what a vaccine actually is. I am opposed to an injection of mrna that would cause my cells to churn out spike proteins. I don't like spike proteins and try to avoid them by either infection or injection.

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Oct 3, 2023 22:03:27   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
TriX wrote:
Well said Bill. Nothing scares me more for this country than the anti-vax, anti-science, anti-climate change, anti-education, everything is a “deep state” conspiracy wing of our population.


Fear not TriX; like our PM Trudeau famously said, we are just a small fringe minority. If all your boosters still leave you in fear we the few unclean ones then how good are they?

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Oct 3, 2023 22:16:20   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
TriX wrote:
To treat intestinal parasitic worms, not Covid


Right on and yet some people believe it's only for horses.

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Oct 3, 2023 23:25:21   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
Dbrow411 wrote:
This is a forum that I participate in precisely for the fact that it's a respite from political nonsense. This will be my last comment on this one but I can't leave without pointing out the fact that Dr. Fauchi is one of the foremost infectious disease experts in this country. Every time I see comments like this, it's based on a political agenda rather than anything remotely resembling a fact. I'm done on this one.


If you really prefer facts to religious-like belief in Fauci, check out "The Real Anthony Fauci" by Robert Kennedy Jr. I hope you are open minded enough to take a look.

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Oct 3, 2023 23:43:20   #
TimmyKnowles Loc: Gallup, New Mexico
 
ruzbynik wrote:
If you really prefer facts to religious-like belief in Fauci, check out "The Real Anthony Fauci" by Robert Kennedy Jr. I hope you are open minded enough to take a look.


Robert Kennedy Jr. is an anti-vaxxer and largely discredited politician. He's only being used to draw votes away from Biden and isn't smart enough to figure out he's being pimped.

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Oct 4, 2023 00:53:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ruzbynik wrote:
If you really prefer facts to religious-like belief in Fauci, check out "The Real Anthony Fauci" by Robert Kennedy Jr. I hope you are open minded enough to take a look.


And you, an intelligent person, choose the medical advice of Robert Kennedy Jr (of all people), who, to my knowledge, has no medical training, over the advice of Dr.Fauci (whose medical credentials and experience are impeccable) and the medical community as a whole? What is the advice of your own physician? Are you a physician or have degreed training in virology, genetics and/or epidemiology?

That is what I find scary, not that you may be contagious.

Edit: Since this has been moved to the attic, I’m done after this post, but it allows me to add that the ignorance in understanding the seriousness of Covid or basic medicine by our president (can you say Clorox or UV lamps?) is responsible for untold additional US deaths and contributed to the anti-vax, “deep state”-conspiracy idea.

Be well

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Oct 4, 2023 01:27:30   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
Ok, all good. I do not take medical advice from Robert Kennedy or Anthony Fauci. A New York Times Best Selling Author is I think worthy of some consideration and respect for a meticulously researched book about such an influential character as Fauci.

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Oct 4, 2023 01:36:06   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Watch this to find out how the vax was developed https://youtu.be/mfLycFHBsro?si=niCybusd-PLr3sim

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Oct 4, 2023 02:03:26   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
sourdough58 wrote:
Watch this to find out how the vax was developed https://youtu.be/mfLycFHBsro?si=niCybusd-PLr3sim


Thanks for that link sourdough58. That video is a jaw-dropping history of the covid pandemic money machine.

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Oct 4, 2023 07:46:05   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Your Welcome ruzbynik

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Oct 4, 2023 07:47:47   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
Joe Wang - Author
Joe Wang, Ph.D., was a molecular biologist with more than 10 years of experience in the vaccine industry. He is now the president of NTD Television Network (Canada), and a columnist for The Epoch Times.



The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine has been awarded to Dr. Katalin Kariko of Hungary and Dr. Drew Weissman of the United States “for their discoveries concerning nucleoside base modifications that enabled the development of effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19.”
According to the Oct. 2 announcement, Kariko and Weissman “noticed that dendritic cells recognize in vitro transcribed mRNA as a foreign substance, which leads to their activation and the release of inflammatory signaling molecules.”

The Decline and Fall of the Experts

10/3/2023
The Decline and Fall of the Experts
Scientists Receive Nobel Prize for Development That Led to COVID-19 Vaccines

10/2/2023
Scientists Receive Nobel Prize for Development That Led to COVID-19 Vaccines
In common English, “in vitro transcribed mRNA” means foreign mRNA molecules introduced into one’s body; “dendritic cells” are part of the immune defence; and “inflammatory” reactions are signals indicating that the immune system is working against invaders.

In other words, Kariko and Weissman noticed that the human body would naturally consider any injected RNA as a foreign and harmful substance and would launch an immune defence against it.
Fooling the Immune System

What the two scientists had developed was a way to modify the RNA molecule by chemically replacing one of the four building blocks of RNA uridine with pseudo-uridine. The goal was to fool the human immune system (dendritic cells) to treat the modified RNA as non-foreign and non-harmful. The injected modified RNA can then escape the attack from the immune defence.
There are four building blocks—A for adenine, C for cytosine, G for guanine, and U for uridine—for any mRNA molecule.

This technology made it possible for the development of the RNA-based COVID-19 vaccines, as the modified RNA molecules from the vaccines could now survive in the human body (without being destroyed by the immune system) for a long time.

When injected into the body, the modified RNA would hijack the host cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The host cells would then have the viral S protein on their surface. The immune system would consider the S protein foreign and launch immune responses against it.

People who took the mRNA jab would hopefully have anti-spike T-cells and B-cells ready, so when infected by SARS-CoV-2, the protection would be there to prevent the disease and subsequent hospitalization from happening. At least this was the designed outcome of the mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines.
RNA and Messenger RNA

For people like me who have a Ph.D. in molecular biology, words like DNA, RNA, protein, etc., are very much part of our daily vocabulary. Even though DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) and protein are common in our regular conversations, RNA (ribonucleic acid) is pretty much reserved for those working in the field, not to mention mRNA (messenger RNA), a kind of RNA that is normally single-stranded, with a function of carrying a message for the ribosome to read in order to produce proteins.
Thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic and the unprecedented vaccination efforts in the past three years, mRNA has now become a household word. But what is mRNA? Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain real mRNA?
The ‘Central Dogma’ of Molecular Biology and mRNA

For as long as human civilization, people had been wondering what is passed down from parents to a child that makes the child look like the parents. DNA's role in heredity was confirmed in 1952 when Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase in the Hershey–Chase experiment showed that DNA is the genetic material of the enterobacteria phage T2.
One year later, in 1953, American James Watson and Brit Francis Crick discovered the double helix structure of the DNA molecule, for which they won the 1962 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. This discovery laid the foundation for molecular biology. Crick declared that he and Watson had “discovered the secret of life.”

Then, how does DNA make heredity work? We know that proteins are the building blocks to sustain life. How does information flow from DNA to proteins?

In 1957, Crick discovered the “central dogma” of molecular biology, which is basically DNA makes RNA makes protein.

Simply put, our human chromosomes are made of DNA, which contains an estimated 100,000 genes. Every protein-coding gene contains information for the line-up of amino acids that make the protein. The following two steps are needed: transcription from DNA to mRNA, and translation from mRNA to protein.

In other words, mRNA is the messenger, the “delivery guy.”

Similar to a postman delivering a parcel, which shouldn’t take more than a minute at a door, typical mRNAs are short-lived, lasting only a few minutes before degradation. The four building blocks (A, C, G, U) are released and reused after the degradation.

When I initially heard that the COVID-19 vaccines used mRNA, the first thing came to my mind was, “Oh, it is mRNA. It will not stay in the body for too long.”

I was wrong.

On the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), it claims that the following would happen after vaccination with the COVID-19 vaccines: “After the body produces an immune response, it discards all of the vaccine ingredients, just as it would discard any substance that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.”
Well, because uridines are now replaced with pseudo-uridines, we know that the modified RNA now lives in the body for months and can even find its way into babies through mother’s milk, according to peer-reviewed studies.
Since the modified RNA stays in the body and travels around the body, it may end up in many undesirable places. If the host cells (heart muscle cells, for example) carry the viral spike protein on their surface, the heart tissues could be a target by the immune system, resulting in autoimmune disorders. Could this be the cause for the unusually high myocarditis and pericarditis cases reported as a result of the jab?

The Trojan Horse Effect

Basic biology tells us that mRNA created in the body is meant to be short-lived, and the immune system would simply reject any RNA coming in from the outside. Foreign RNA would be considered harmful and our dendritic cells would launch immune attacks against them if they entered our bodies.
This system worked well for humans for thousands of years. Then came the invention of the modified RNA by Kariko and Weissman.

If the COVID vaccine RNA injected into the body is beneficial, as has been claimed by almost all official health organizations (World Health Organization, CDC, etc.) and now by the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, then the work by Kariko and Weissman may have indeed helped saved millions of lives.
If, however, the RNA injected into the body is not benign and could cause harm, then this technology in effect plays the role of a Trojan horse by helping an enemy furtively enter the body and do damage.

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Oct 4, 2023 14:46:16   #
srron Loc: Courtice,On.
 
The existence of VARRS indicates that we are the guinea pigs for this so called vaccine

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