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Sep 19, 2023 12:54:26   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Sorry...the data is about the same as climate change...all over the place with tons of manipulation.

You gave the technical definition of a vaccine...which I have already admitted to...

But it's not a vaccine like the public perceives a vaccine to be....very different.

They STILL don't know what the long term effects of any of the vaccines will be...but so far...not good.

It's also quite permanent...whatever it is going to do...you won't be able to get rid of it.

Big Govt. and Big Pharma...what could go wrong.
Sorry...the data is about the same as climate chan... (show quote)


What do you mean by “so far, not good”? Very few side effects and a vast number of serious infections prevented and lives
saved. Since 1900, the average lifespan of humans has more than doubled and that is due to advances in medical science including vaccines.

As for climate change, data, sorry to be rude, but that is BS and you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve spent decades collaborating with NOAA and NASA on the collection and storage of weather data, both historical and modern including satellite data. I’ve seen the data directly from the satellites and talked to literally hundreds of scientists analyzing the data at NOAA, NASA and at Universities, and the data is not “all over the place” and there is no “manipulation”. The data is clear for anyone with an open mind and without prejudice. You may not like the results, but the data is clear. Are you spending your time reading conspiracy rags?

In my opinion, this anti-science, anti-vax anti-climate change conspiracy in every corner crap is the biggest challenge we face today as a country and a world. How did we get from the “science centric years” of the 60s to this? Comments like yours make me despair for our country and our world.

Not wasting any more time on this - unwatching.

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Sep 19, 2023 13:34:50   #
Mrsmoses Loc: Oregon
 
The clinical studies for RSV have been going on for quite some time and will continue. They are very careful with these studies. I wanted to do the RSV but could not because I had to be 10 yrs free of cancer and I have one year to go. I am enrolled in the new flu study. I completed the Covid 19 study for Maderna in 2022. It was a 2 yr study for me.

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Sep 19, 2023 13:56:31   #
JBRIII
 
fourlocks wrote:
Wait a minute. So if there hasn't been enough testing we should try a new drug in order to provide free clinical trial services for the drug company?


Drugs are tested before release, as are vaccines, but unless you want drug cost to go even higher and take even longer to develop, the testing has limits. Think of all the possible sub-groups of humans and how many subjects you want in each group to be in the test groups: by sex, age, race, nationality, medical condition (weight, cholesterol level, genetics general overall health), etc., etc. With Covid they were having problems getting the number of African Americans needed because of their reluctance to participate based on past history of abuse. So yes, anyone using a drug or vaccine is participating in a continuous clinical trail if you like. Even years of testing and use can't quarantee something won't show up years down the road. If you remember, when statins first came out, they stated that they had been shown to reduce cholesterol, but could not guarantee they reduce heart attacks. Long term use, by millions of us showed the latter. It's just the way it is.

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Sep 19, 2023 14:00:31   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
TriX wrote:
What do you mean by “so far, not good”? Very few side effects and a vast number of serious infections prevented and lives
saved. Since 1900, the average lifespan of humans has more than doubled and that is due to advances in medical science including vaccines.

As for climate change, data, sorry to be rude, but that is BS and you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve spent decades collaborating with NOAA and NASA on the collection and storage of weather data, both historical and modern including satellite data. I’ve seen the data directly from the satellites and talked to literally hundreds of scientists analyzing the data at NOAA, NASA and at Universities, and the data is not “all over the place” and there is no “manipulation”. The data is clear for anyone with an open mind and without prejudice. You may not like the results, but the data is clear. Are you spending your time reading conspiracy rags?

In my opinion, this anti-science, anti-vax anti-climate change conspiracy in every corner crap is the biggest challenge we face today as a country and a world. How did we get from the “science centric years” of the 60s to this? Comments like yours make me despair for our country and our world.

Not wasting any more time on this - unwatching.
What do you mean by “so far, not good”? Very few s... (show quote)



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Sep 19, 2023 16:39:50   #
tgreenhaw
 
My daughter’s family all came down with RSV last year and it was rough.

I got the RSV vaccine with my flu shot this year and the side effects were mild. All covered by insurance.

I’m about to get the COVID booster and that one has been rough for me in the past.

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Sep 19, 2023 17:21:14   #
Vladimir200 Loc: Beaumont, Ca.
 
jaymatt wrote:
I have been hearing a lot of ads pushing the RSV vaccine, so I contacted my transplant coordinator at Indiana University Health Hospital about getting it.

The reply was to hold off because doctors don't know enough about it at the present time to recommend getting it.

I found that most interesting, considering the ads for it. Needless to say, I won't be getting one anytime soon.


Lots of information out there and we all have access to it and have to make our individual decisions. I'm 80 years old and my doctor said yes to RSV vaccine so my wife and I got it. No, we are not at risk due to transplants, etc. but we are "old". In two weeks, we'll get the new and improved Covid booster and flu at same time. The pharmacist said flu & Covid booster do well together but best to get RSV by itself and then wait two weeks for other two. My wife's girlfriend said she just got over the "flu" and was miserable for a week. She tested negative for Covid so my guess is that she had RSV as the flu is not a factor yet in Southern California where we live. For the most part, I believe in vaccines and never had the flu nor Covid although I will tell you this.......Covid is spreading like wildfire with our friends and family and they all had boosters. Their Covid experience, however, was mostly mild, i.e. no one had to go to the hospital. Good luck out there and stay safe.

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Sep 19, 2023 18:19:06   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
Holding of a little is just good sense, but the problem is that there are people who wont do it at all, so it must be drilled into them to get off the pot and do whats right.

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Sep 19, 2023 18:34:33   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
jaymatt wrote:
I have been hearing a lot of ads pushing the RSV vaccine, so I contacted my transplant coordinator at Indiana University Health Hospital about getting it.

The reply was to hold off because doctors don't know enough about it at the present time to recommend getting it.

I found that most interesting, considering the ads for it. Needless to say, I won't be getting one anytime soon.


The doctors do know that it costs them $400 per dose and the doses come in a vial containing five doses that costs $2000 each. That raises several pricing questions and insurance issues to resolve.

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Sep 19, 2023 20:10:55   #
tgreenhaw
 
fantom wrote:
The doctors do know that it costs them $400 per dose and the doses come in a vial containing five doses that costs $2000 each. That raises several pricing questions and insurance issues to resolve.


WOW, I didn't believe it at first. I looked it up and according to the CDC, the RSV vaccine is $495 per dose!

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Sep 19, 2023 21:16:27   #
rwoodvira
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
FDA is supposed to to conduct controlled clinical studies before releasing a drug. Releasing a drug before the trials are complete and all data is evaluated is irresponsible. Kudos to your doctor


The was a significant phase 3 clinical trial (phase 3 is the pre-approval test) with 34,000 participants. Results are as follows:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2213836

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Sep 19, 2023 21:29:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rwoodvira wrote:
The was a significant phase 3 clinical trial (phase 3 is the pre-approval test) with 34,000 participants. Results are as follows:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2213836


That's adequate for me... Apparently, it works.

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Sep 22, 2023 16:34:26   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
Tote1940 wrote:
It is different for persons with transplants, anti rejection drugs decrease reponse to vaccines
Vaccine is recommended for old folks like me, at risk for a nasty pneumonia from RSV due to decreased immune system from age not from those drugs used in transplanted persons.
Getting it tomorrow



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