No Aftermarket Batteries for Nikon
Jun 1, 2023 14:37:30 #
E.L., we both are considering the same concept. I won't deny that a name brand batter might be made to a different standard, but I'll put the smart money on the fact that the battery maker runs one major line, with different names put on them.
Jun 1, 2023 14:41:14 #
elliott937 wrote:
E.L., we both are considering the same concept. I won't deny that a name brand batter might be made to a different standard, but I'll put the smart money on the fact that the battery maker runs one major line, with different names put on them.
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Jun 1, 2023 14:41:14 #
JD750 wrote:
There are technical differences and more significa... (show quote)
How society/people work nowadays. They want monies.
Forget thinking, reasoning, or cause and effect rationalization.
Do we have disclaimers on packages of cutlery that states "Caution: Knives are sharp and can cause bodily injury."?
Why... Oh, wait, people (in general) are stupid.
Few think anymore.
Except the lawyers, they think of all kinds of angles...
Jun 1, 2023 14:42:06 #
Longshadow wrote:
How society/people work nowadays. They want monies.
Forget thinking, reasoning, or cause and effect rationalization.
Do we have disclaimers on packages of cutlery that states "Caution: Knives are sharp and can cause bodily injury."?
Why... Oh, wait, people (in general) are stupid.
Few think anymore.
Except the lawyers, they think of all kinds of angles...
Forget thinking, reasoning, or cause and effect rationalization.
Do we have disclaimers on packages of cutlery that states "Caution: Knives are sharp and can cause bodily injury."?
Why... Oh, wait, people (in general) are stupid.
Few think anymore.
Except the lawyers, they think of all kinds of angles...
Kinda harsh.
Jun 1, 2023 14:46:46 #
larryepage wrote:
Yes. Exactly what you describe. These batteries contain chips and communicate with the processor in the camera. And the power switch is not a simple toggle switch. It sends a power-up instruction to that same processor. It is a very simple matter to program the system so that without a "valid" response from the battery, the power-up sequence never starts.
That is correct. And its not just Nikon either... a friend of mine bought 2 Canon R5's when they came out and he got warnings in both cameras after inserting 3rd party batteries telling him he was not using Canon batteries in the cameras, and by doing so it could cause damage to the camera and could also void his warranty.
Jun 1, 2023 14:48:12 #
Jack47 wrote:
Kinda harsh.
Reality and the truth hurt sometimes...
Or I could talk about butterflies, flowers, and unicorns so no one's feelings get hurt.....
Update: Case in point:
Just saw on a "neighborhood" forum that covers dozens of neighborhoods.
Person asked "Is power out?". That's it, three words.
Not mine....The fact that no one knows where that person lives is superfluous I suppose.
Jun 1, 2023 14:58:27 #
Amielee
Loc: Eastern Washington State
larryepage wrote:
Yes. Exactly what you describe. These batteries contain chips and communicate with the processor in the camera. And the power switch is not a simple toggle switch. It sends a power-up instruction to that same processor. It is a very simple matter to program the system so that without a "valid" response from the battery, the power-up sequence never starts.
Exactly, they have been doing the same thing for years with ink for printers. Perhaps Canon has not gone that far yet, one of mine will take a generic battery but will not show the charge remaining. Expect more manufacturers to do the same.
Jun 1, 2023 15:13:45 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know what model he discussed, but according to Louis Rossman, Nikon is not allowing aftermarket batteries in some cameras. This is nothing new, but we are definitely being screwed over by industry. Will cameras become inoperable after a certain amount of time or after taking so many pictures? There's always the danger of an old camera injuring someone, right? 
Back to the "right to repair" concept.
Profit comes in the original sale - and then its replacement.
We have already buried ourselves in a garbage pile of single use junk.
Good to be old.
Boris
Jun 1, 2023 15:17:51 #
JD750 wrote:
No they don’t make the batteries. However, they buy batteries to higher quality standards to prevent the issues you cite. That does cost more $.
There is also a liability concern as I explained In a prior post. Camera manufacturers don’t want to get sued.
But are they making $ as well on the batteries sales? Maybe.
There is also a liability concern as I explained In a prior post. Camera manufacturers don’t want to get sued.
But are they making $ as well on the batteries sales? Maybe.
When Mc Donals was still selling INEXPENSIVE hamburgers, the marketing gurus said they made their real profits on the fries and soft drinks. In the old days, my dealers proved to me that they made more money percentage-wise on filters, tripods, and other accessories than high-ticket cameras. So, if I purchased all my supplies and accessories there they split the markup with me on the big stuff.
At the end of the day, I find it a waste of time to look into the other guys' pocketbooks- my suppliers, or my customers. Everyone has to earn a living and most folks want the best value for their money.
Lots of folks clamor and complain when they have to spend a few more bucks to support their camera
system. It would be worse if a major manufacturer actually declared bankruptcy and shut down- no more parts and service, software updates, new lenses- not good!
Jun 1, 2023 15:32:36 #
JD750 wrote:
He knows how the systems are designed. This is nothing new and it’s a common implementation for battery charging systems.
There are dozens of warnings in manuals about batteries.
There are dozens of warnings in manuals about batteries.
Warnings yes but do they say that only OEM batteries can be used
Jun 1, 2023 15:35:05 #
Sidwalkastronomy
Loc: New Jersey Shore
Maybe OEM don't want just any battery in their cameras and someone claim warranty work that was really caused by a non battery issue. My Canon repairs always said don't send batteries but a damage circuit board could be a result if one used non OEM
Jun 1, 2023 15:35:55 #
Dean37
Loc: Fresno, CA
Some consolation for owners of expensive cars - If you buy a $250,000 car, you can be sure you'll pay a lot for brakes, oil filters, spark plugs, and everything else. Quality! 
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Not always true. It could be today though.
I bought a new 1959 Hillman Minx and had the usual electrical problems that British cars with Lucas electrical systems have here in the US.
The one part, the Voltage Regulator, that was common for several British cars I had to replace 3 times. Each time I gave the parts house the part number, they would ask, "Hillman, Jaguar or Rolls-Royce?" The reason was the price difference for the same identical part. For the Hillman it cost $19.95, for the Jaguar it cost $95.95 and for the Rolls Royce it cost $199.95 for the identical part, no difference .
With camera manufacturers now it is not the same since the "New Kid on the Block" cellular phones have seriously intruded into what was exclusive territory and will not be going away anytime soon. "The best camera is the one you have with you" has been true and will continue to be true and most people have a cellular phone with them all the time. They are reasonably easy to carry nowadays though the early ones were like carrying a brick.
As a result the camera companies have to be looking at every possible way to stay in business and the super micro electronics gives them many opportunities to do so.
I would buy the OEM batteries every time, but when they no longer make them, I refuse to buy a new camera! Fortunately, or unfortunately, I don't depend on a camera for any serious reason, so I can be happy with old technology which for now has 3rd party batteries readily available.
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Not always true. It could be today though.
I bought a new 1959 Hillman Minx and had the usual electrical problems that British cars with Lucas electrical systems have here in the US.
The one part, the Voltage Regulator, that was common for several British cars I had to replace 3 times. Each time I gave the parts house the part number, they would ask, "Hillman, Jaguar or Rolls-Royce?" The reason was the price difference for the same identical part. For the Hillman it cost $19.95, for the Jaguar it cost $95.95 and for the Rolls Royce it cost $199.95 for the identical part, no difference .
With camera manufacturers now it is not the same since the "New Kid on the Block" cellular phones have seriously intruded into what was exclusive territory and will not be going away anytime soon. "The best camera is the one you have with you" has been true and will continue to be true and most people have a cellular phone with them all the time. They are reasonably easy to carry nowadays though the early ones were like carrying a brick.
As a result the camera companies have to be looking at every possible way to stay in business and the super micro electronics gives them many opportunities to do so.
I would buy the OEM batteries every time, but when they no longer make them, I refuse to buy a new camera! Fortunately, or unfortunately, I don't depend on a camera for any serious reason, so I can be happy with old technology which for now has 3rd party batteries readily available.
Jun 1, 2023 15:54:23 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
This is the reason why you need to be careful with 3rd party batteries. It has nothing to do with technology but all to do with greed. Both batteries from the same device, a claimed 3000mAh battery, but the top one is a re-sleeved version of the bottom one. Most (at least 90%) 3rd party batteries do this although more often you buy a 5Ah battery but if you dismantle it inside you find 4Ah batteries so no way would it ever be as claimed on the outside of the label. On top of this they often use inferior cells so when one craps out typically you have to replace the whole 10 pack. There are three reasons why this happens - 1. dishonest manufacturers, 2. greedy or most likely stupid importers and 3. purchasers who persist in thinking that cheaper must be better (this last can be fixed by becoming a savvy purchaser but it does take some effort).
Jun 1, 2023 15:59:39 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
Dean37 wrote:
........I bought a new 1959 Hillman Minx and had the usual electrical problems that British cars with Lucas electrical systems have here in the US.
Not sure why you decided that this issue only happened with British cars imported into the US ? This was true for all British cars EVERYWHERE in the world that used Lucas electrical systems. They gave us Concorde but they also gave us Lucas.
Jun 1, 2023 16:01:55 #
Dean37
Loc: Fresno, CA
chrissybabe wrote:
Not sure why you decided that this issue only happened with British cars imported into the US ? This was true for all British cars EVERYWHERE in the world that used Lucas electrical systems. They gave us Concorde but they also gave us Lucas.
I was not aware of other than the US, but I am not surprised to hear that. Thank you!
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