therwol Loc: USA

User ID: Why are you so unappreciative ? Can you show us how this is an "altered version" ?


I'll answer for him. I don't agree with everything he says, but I agree this time. Aside from the crop, the picture you posted looks as though there is Vaseline on the lens. The detail and color in the original are missing. It isn't a great picture on many levels, and I do see the controversial purple in the image, but your posting grossly alters the picture. I agree with you many times as well, but not on this one.

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selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

It only takes one.

Somebody is keeping the myth going. But Sigma's newest camera is a 61MP model (FP L) with a Bayer array.

We also have a member who still believes in chemtrails even though Smithsonian Magazine has told us that, "According to Public Policy Polling, about five percent of Americans believe in chemtrails. That’s more than the four percent who believe lizard people are taking over our politics..."

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Well acoarst I never printed and recopied with grease smeared on the lens. And it really has never been downloaded to a PC. If it has lost any lustre within the save-and-repost procedure, that is what is showing.

Soooooo ... lets let the brighter looking version represent the Foveon Miracle. That is suitable. Lets see just how many Hogsters are wowed by that masterpiece of Foveonography ... which obviously has been the point all along.

Thank you for reposting it at its best. Now lets wait for the resulting Foveon love wave to roll in and crash upon our shore ... again, the point all along. Surfs up. Lets watch and wait.

therwol Loc: USA

I've never owned or used a camera with a Foveon sensor. Having said that, my reading would suggest that the performance of a Foveon sensor can be impressive at base ISO. Low light performance is zilch. This is the reason why that type of sensor will never gain widespread use unless that problem is overcome.

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I borrowed one one day. But then I sadly discovered it cant output any visible files without the special app that acoarst I did not have.

I had no intention of shooting miracle images at iso100. I wanted to see what it looks like at higher iso despite all the warnings. Im not afraid of noise. Noise comes in various flavors, some tasty and some disgusting.

No point in asking for someone to post an example cuz nobody in their right mind has one of them things :-(

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

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Whoever you are Scotty---TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ROOFER PICTEURE. that is exactly how he looked all the up on a 3 story house---my house. So what is wrong with the photo? lead me to your work so I can say it is "crap?" The roofer is just as he looked that cloudy day---exactly. I don't turn on the sun or change colors to suite my fancy. There is no fringing as claimed ad nauseam by UserID--anonymous---who changed the photo and put one up with fringing. Certainly posting a thumbnail in place of a photo and implying it was the original is against the copyright. The thumbnail was not identified. Yes---lead me to your crap so I can "critique it."---

Grahame Loc: Fiji

What is "wrong" with the picture is that it failed in it's, or more accurately 'your', intended purpose which was to demonstrate the superiority of your foveon sensor that you had been continually bragging about.

Your blatant refusal to accept that it really was nothing special, along with your attempt to post it numerous times as well as in the 'Gallery', to get some oohs and ahhs, is the reason it has become so iconic.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

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Dear Wise guy. I did not post it in the gallery for openers. And---regardless of your views on synthetically filtered algorithmic images which apparently you prefer and value---I attempt to capture the image I see before me---which is exactly what I did with the roofer shot which I made from street level with the first generation of the revolutionary Sigma FoveonX3 sensors (SD9--I have 5 Sigma DSLRs) and a non-Sigma manual lens. Maybe you demand more or post process in what was never intended---that is your choice. But I favor taking what I see and like and as with the film days am careful and take just one picture. Not a range to choose from dozens for movements and dozens for exposure----as amateurs are inclined to do with that ability of modern cameras. They only have their final image on the cutting room floor, so to speak. To me that is not photography and that is why I use the right camera for the right purpose. And certainly the Sigma FoveonX3s are at the top of my list as it is to professionals in Germany and Japan and not in the USA or on uHH.-----Eric

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Oh yes you did, following your disappointment that it was not raved over in the Main Photography Discussion section.

As for the rest of what you say, it's irrelevant to my comment and not worth responding to.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

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Maybe my memory is short since you love dredging the unpleasantness you engaged in nearly a year ago. But since you know so much----show the proof I posted the roofer "numerous times" in the photo gallery? You seem to be the expert in past history---show me. Show it was I and if it did appeal--that I posted it not the snarky who added fringe?---Or shut the heck up.--------------------

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Maybe not? Perhaps just an excuse.

As I've said before, less haste and read what's written. Note these four words contained within the sentence below 'AS WELL AS IN'

Again, back to your games and you know you get caught out.

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

There are some of us who might enjoy using an older camera as an exercise in nostalgia or for any other reason. The camera might be a pin hole, or some other type of film camera or an older model digital camera, even a Foveon. We should use it for our particular purpose and not make claims that these devices can go head to head with either the latest models of DSLR or mirrorless.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

You originally posted the image on Jan 14, 2022 00:06:12 (ET) stating that, "Here is a snapshot from one of my three models of Sigma Foveon DSLRs--(I have five bodies)..." You have reposted the same image several times and it hasn't gotten any better.

There is plenty wrong with the picture as has been pointed out to you by many of us. You have heard some of this before: the purple cast in the dark portions of the image suggesting issues with Foveon's handling of the colors or an issue with the lens; the final image is small (3.43MP) and not very sharp.

You have since posted only four other Foveon images of your own. Only two of them are full size. Only one of them is any good and it was taken in broad daylight at ISO 100.

So it's clear that even you have trouble producing a quality image from any of your Foveon bodies. You don't have enough confidence to post more.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

There you go again with your synthetic algorithm nonsense. ALL digital cameras use algorithms. Even your oh so precious FoveonX3. If you knew anything about how computers, such as digital cameras, operate you would know that.
How about you post your source for your claim that Sigma Foveons are so popular with professionals in Germany & Japan? You have to do a bit of digging just to find out that Sigma cameras has about 1% of the worldwide market share of cameras. Not exectly flying off the shelves, are they?
At first glance I thought your roofer photo was decent, until I was prodded to take a closer look. If that is an example of what your Foveon can do then it is less then impressive, which seems to match your skills. Might explain your attraction to it. In your quest for photographic realism did you notice your roofer had purple highlights in his hair? Before your camera made it obvious, that is.

Dr.Nikon Loc: Honolulu Hawaii

I love PP .., couldn’t make money without using it to please myself and my customers …Photography can be as expensive as you want to make it .., however the amount spent and the photo outcome usually have nothing to do with each other ..