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Mar 23, 2022 12:24:26   #
andesbill
 
Me too, but the extra cost of ev’s more than offsets the increased price of gas. Even if you have solar panels as I do. But I do love driving it.

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Mar 23, 2022 12:25:40   #
alexol
 
BobHartung wrote:
Wrong and Wrong. We have a limited supply thanks to Democratic Party brains. Until we have fully fledged infrastructure hydrocarbons are not going away. Until then why would anyone place our self-sufficiency at risk. This single item will determine my vote in the fall elections. Short-sightedness is no excuse.


Sadly, you seem to be blinded by a political viewpoint, which obscures some economical realities. You are definitely not alone; it's the same for both Ds & Rs, with both sides following whatever their news source tells them. We need a bit more critical thinking and a lot less talking heads on the evening opinion channels which like to pass themselves off as journalists conveying news.

The price of oil is influenced but absolutely NOT controlled by US politics and certainly not by a mere President, of either party. Of course, they are politicians, so they claim credit for everything perceived as good, place blame for the opposite, regardless of cause.

We don't have a limited supply. We currently have somewhere around 5,000 drilled but unfinished wells in the US that are not being produced as they are not economically viable.

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Mar 23, 2022 12:31:12   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
alexol wrote:
Sorry but no. It's a simple supply and demand situation, caused by some very complex events. It isn't like you can simply open the faucet to increase supply. And if you could, to whose benefit? Oil companies are not private companies and if you have any kind of investments you are one way or another at least partially invested in O&G companies and gaining some indirect benefit.

Would I like to see lower gas prices? Yes, but not too low as that sets the scene for another wild price roller coaster.

I'd much prefer STABLE gas prices, to which one can adapt, at more or less any reasonable level. The rest of the world pays 2x to 3x US prices, and they manage just fine, better in many cases.
Sorry but no. It's a simple supply and demand sit... (show quote)


Well, it is laize faire capitalism carried to it’s limit. But the fact is that the supply is just fine. The US is on schedule to continue producing more oil this year as it has every recent year except 2021 when demand was tempered by Covid, and we are predicted to be a net exporter again in 2022. The demand is certainly there, but it takes awhile for the American consumer to wean themselves from 6,000 lb SUVs and move to fuel efficient EVs and hybrids, and that doesn’t happen overnight. In the meantime, oil and gas companies, and their shareholders can see the writing on the wall and use any excuse to raise prices, and unlike a very dynamic demand curve, the consumer can’t simply quickly drop his demand to cause the price to drop. This is where pure capitalism doesn’t work in real time - when all the major producers work in lock step to keep prices high. The fact is that the oil companies are showing record profits and rewarding their management with million dollar packages while the consumer pays the price.

BTW, I don’t have ANY stock of any kind anymore - been there and done that big time - not a game I wish to indulge in anymore. My retirement is funded by income producing rental properties, and I sleep very well at night knowing the my property is an actual real tangible asset whose value isn’t driven by mass fear and greed, quarterly results and 25 year old analysts.

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Mar 23, 2022 12:50:49   #
Dannj
 
mr spock wrote:
Then why do we keep reelecting the same people year after year?
Hate to say this but there's a man among our midst that's been in politics for 47 years without any real accomplishments. And we rewarded him with the presidency.
Nothing will change until we the electorate smarten up.


I’d think we can say that about most of our presidents.

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Mar 23, 2022 12:51:27   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
BobHartung wrote:
Wrong and Wrong. We have a limited supply thanks to Democratic Party brains. Until we have fully fledged infrastructure hydrocarbons are not going away. Until then why would anyone place our self-sufficiency at risk. This single item will determine my vote in the fall elections. Short-sightedness is no excuse.


Well here we go to the attic, but what actual evidence can you present to link a limited supply (it isn’t) to the Democratic Party? There is no limited supply. The US will be a net oil exporter in 2022. And if you’re going to trot out the cancelled Keystone XL pipeline expansion as a reason, you might want to check your facts.

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Mar 23, 2022 13:06:45   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
Morry wrote:
Gas price doesn't worry me too much also. I have a fairly new 2021 Honda Accord which with a little over 6,000 miles on it. It's giving me a total lifetime (so far) average gas mileage of 43.3 MPG. Yes it is a stop gap until I buy the eventual all electric . . but it's my 2nd hybrid (2012 Prius) and it's roomy, trouble free and probably gets at least twice the average gas mileage an average purchased car today gets (in spite of the occasional criticism I get for liking hybrid cars in today's world) Last time I bought gas here in Palm Springs area at Costco gas and it was $5.40 cents per gallon). If I wanted better MPG I could get it by trying harder. I have attained as high as 73.4 MPG doing this. But certainly this is not attainable with average style driving in average traffic. Consider a hybrid . . . you may like it better than you think.
Gas price doesn't worry me too much also. I have a... (show quote)


I agree. The administration does not seem to have this view as a step from gas only powered cars to electric only powered cars. Hybrids seem to me to be a very important step as hybrids are considerably less expensive, give you longer range for trips other then just local, cost less to replace batteries, & don’t need to have infrastructure in place that we are a long way from achieving quickly (not to mention the time required to re-charge & reliable expectation of having access to one anywhere & any time). We are not there yet & won’t be for many years. Hybrids seem to me to be an alternative worthy of more attention than is being given by those in power currently.

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Mar 23, 2022 13:29:07   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
robertjerl wrote:
...We can't afford enough gas to get there. Average today is $6+ for the mid level grades of gas.

Gee, I am so glad I don't commute 44 miles one way to teach anymore.
My "new" car I got in early Oct 2019 is still less than 6000 miles. Well, yes, Covid-19 gets a lot of credit for that. The doctor every so often, curb side pickup at Sam's and the market plus a drive through about 2x a week. The wife has done about the same in her car in that same time frame.


CA is not going to hell. It has arrived.

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Mar 23, 2022 13:40:00   #
BusterCrabbe Loc: Montreal
 
Thanks TriX...beat me to it ;-)

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Mar 23, 2022 13:52:04   #
byjoe Loc: Stillwater, OK
 
Another reason I bought an e-bike for local errands

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Mar 23, 2022 14:47:33   #
agillot
 
If you fill your car once a week , that come to around $ 15 more .So ???????

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Mar 23, 2022 15:23:24   #
Toby
 
alexol wrote:
Sorry but no. It's a simple supply and demand situation, caused by some very complex events. It isn't like you can simply open the faucet to increase supply. And if you could, to whose benefit? Oil companies are not private companies and if you have any kind of investments you are one way or another at least partially invested in O&G companies and gaining some indirect benefit.

Would I like to see lower gas prices? Yes, but not too low as that sets the scene for another wild price roller coaster.

I'd much prefer STABLE gas prices, to which one can adapt, at more or less any reasonable level. The rest of the world pays 2x to 3x US prices, and they manage just fine, better in many cases.
Sorry but no. It's a simple supply and demand sit... (show quote)


I agree and believe in supply and demand setting prices. That is what capitalism is all about. What I don't like, however is the "it looks like there is going to be a supply problem so I DEMAND you raise prices before the supply problem hits so we can get a jump on it and sell todays gas at tomorrows supply problem prices.

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Mar 23, 2022 16:05:10   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
alexol wrote:
I'd much prefer STABLE gas prices, to which one can adapt, at more or less any reasonable level. The rest of the world pays 2x to 3x US prices, and they manage just fine, better in many cases.


The rest of the world only pays 2x to 3x US prices because their respective governments tax the hell out of it.

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Mar 23, 2022 16:07:26   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
--Bob
tgreenhaw wrote:
WOW, I think its $4.09 here in Florida. I don't care though, I drive a Tesla :-)



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Mar 23, 2022 16:16:12   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
cahale wrote:
And where do you think the power for the Tesla comes from?


A bit off the point of your post, but thought this is funny. A Tesla service van getting a gas fillup! Why do they manufacture electric vehicles and use gas in their own service vehicles?.


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Mar 23, 2022 16:23:36   #
Mustanger Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon USA
 
$4.73 for Chevron Regular here in Southern Oregon...We drive my wife's Mazda3 exclusively now up to 46-49 mpg on trips....have gotten a 56.8mpg best sevral time. LOL...drove it 3800 miles last year!

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