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Nikon D500 listed as Discontinued in Japan
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Feb 2, 2022 13:08:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
grahamfourth wrote:
Does this suggest repairs on a D500 will be difficult to get?


Over the longer-run, yes. You might expect full repair support from 5-years after the official announcement of discontinuation, maybe longer for this higher-end model. That would be in-line with how Canon supports discontinued models by product tier.

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Feb 2, 2022 13:15:46   #
grahamfourth
 
Thanks - good to know I have a few more years - I really like my D500

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Feb 2, 2022 14:24:15   #
adm
 
I can see why mirrorless cameras have taken over as quickly as they have. I am a hybrid film/digital shooter and came to digital relatively late. I initially considered going with a Nikon DSLR for digital, since I have many F-mount lenses. But I absolutely hate the bulk and weight of most Nikon G lenses. (Nikon used to have an advantage with this until they decided they had to put motors in the lenses to keep up with Canon on autofocus speed). When I saw the size, weight, and easy handling of the Olympus mirrorless cameras and lenses, I decided to go in that direction rather than with Nikon. At that time, the only Nikon mirrorless option was the Nikon 1, which has a smaller sensor than Micro 4/3. Had the Z-mount system been available back then, I would have been more likely to have stuck with Nikon.

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Feb 2, 2022 15:03:21   #
Labtrainer
 
Nikon has not produced a replacement for the D500. All the good mirrorless cameras are Full Frame. As a birder I need the 1.5 crop factor and the larger view finder to shoot many of the birds that I see. Once I add the adaptor needed for F mount lens, the weight is back to the same as the D500. I know that the mirrorless have some advantages but am not convinced that there is a significant one compared to the D500. Retired on a fixed income changing over is not an option.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:02:54   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Labtrainer wrote:
Nikon has not produced a replacement for the D500. All the good mirrorless cameras are Full Frame. As a birder I need the 1.5 crop factor and the larger view finder to shoot many of the birds that I see. Once I add the adaptor needed for F mount lens, the weight is back to the same as the D500. I know that the mirrorless have some advantages but am not convinced that there is a significant one compared to the D500. Retired on a fixed income changing over is not an option.


Agree. I really like and enjoy my D500. It has more features and capabilities than I am able to use so why in the world would I want something more advanced? I have no need for mirrorless and do not plan to ever change. I will be long gone by the time my D500 gives up the ghost so I'm not worried about it. If the D500 does crater and repairs are not available, my photography days will be done except for what I can do with the iPhone and the point-and-shoot. Period.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:04:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
I quit being afraid when I bought a mirrorless camera and none of my old DLSRs burst into smoke.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:06:37   #
adm
 
It is not true that "All good mirrorless cameras are Full Frame." Do a search and you will see that many people get amazing results in bird photography with Micro 4/3 (Olympus, now officially OM System, and Panasonic). And you have the advantage of a 2.0 crop factor. I have been shooting Olympus for several years and have rarely, if ever, wished I had a larger sensor.

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Feb 2, 2022 17:35:35   #
Old Dutch
 
Robert1 wrote:
Since I'm not a professional photographer that depends on his gear capabilities for his livelihood, I don't care one way or another. I'm still shooting with my film SLRs cameras (some from the 1980s), and I bought my first digital SLR camera in 2017 and to be honest, it doesn't matter to me which camera I use. They all would do what I want to do; whether I can see or not the results right away. I just pick whichever I fancy at the moment. Camera manufacturers love the masses because they know they can count on them to buy the latest and greatest.
Since I'm not a professional photographer that dep... (show quote)


Right arm, man! I use them both as well; and in many cases prefer the film SLR (F4) as the look of film is pretty hard to duplicate digitally without long, long hours in post with expensive software. If I am going to do all that, I will move to LA and get work in a studio.

Fortunately for me, I am just an old guy who likes to take photographs.

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Feb 2, 2022 19:04:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
flip1948 wrote:
NikonRumors is reporting today that the official Nikon Japan website is showing the D500 as discontinued (old product).

NikonUSA still shows it, but when you click on "buy" it is shown as backordered.

Amazon still shows some, but they are refurbished or gray market.

In the previous thread about this someone posted that B&H was still showing it, that was a gray market (imported) camera.

This would knock DSLRs from Nikon down to 4 current models...the D6, D850, D780 and D7500.
NikonRumors is reporting today that the official N... (show quote)


I would bet when Nikon gets rid of the D6 inventory sitting around it will be listed as discontinued.
Z9 made sure of this.
Features and price.

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Feb 2, 2022 19:14:35   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I would bet when Nikon gets rid of the D6 inventory sitting around it will be listed as discontinued.
Z9 made sure of this.
Features and price.


Probably right. I think we'll see that with the other models as well, but no one is sure of the timetable. There is still some demand for the D850. They run sales, the inventory is depleted, but then more come through. But how long will the demand be there? I think it's fair to say that the Z7ii is more than an equivalent camera, especially with IBIS and phase detection for decent autofocus performance using the sensor, even with video. I've read all of the comparison tests I can find, and the Z7ii may lag a bit in autofocus performance compared with the D850, but not by much. They'll fix that, and the only reason at that point to buy the D850 would be compatibility with older lenses and trying to avoid buying new ones. Probably best for them to just move on.

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Feb 2, 2022 19:25:11   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
therwol wrote:
Probably right. I think we'll see that with the other models as well, but no one is sure of the timetable. There is still some demand for the D850. They run sales, the inventory is depleted, but then more come through. But how long will the demand be there? I think it's fair to say that the Z7ii is more than an equivalent camera, especially with IBIS and phase detection for decent autofocus performance using the sensor, even with video. I've read all of the comparison tests I can find, and the Z7ii may lag a bit in autofocus performance compared with the D850, but not by much. They'll fix that, and the only reason at that point to buy the D850 would be compatibility with older lenses and trying to avoid buying new ones. Probably best for them to just move on.
Probably right. I think we'll see that with the ... (show quote)


In today's world of desire for video capability for a majority of new buyers the Z7II AF runs circles around the D850.

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Feb 2, 2022 22:05:39   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
In today's world of desire for video capability for a majority of new buyers the Z7II AF runs circles around the D850.


I don't know what percentage of new buyers are thinking about video, but you are correct. The video AF performance of the D850 sucks. The D780 is their only DSLR with good video AF performance, but you don't get the EVF.

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Feb 2, 2022 23:17:04   #
User ID
 
adm wrote:
It is not true that "All good mirrorless cameras are Full Frame." Do a search and you will see that many people get amazing results in bird photography with Micro 4/3 (Olympus, now officially OM System, and Panasonic). And you have the advantage of a 2.0 crop factor. I have been shooting Olympus for several years and have rarely, if ever, wished I had a larger sensor.

You misquoted labtrainer. You dropped a “the” and changed his statement. Read it slowly (aloud ?) if thaz what it takes. His original meaning vs your version, rather different ideas.

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Feb 3, 2022 01:39:32   #
adm
 
This was an oversight on my part and not an intentional misquote. I apologize if it was misleading or confusing. Nonetheless, I do not think it significantly changed the meaning of his statement. His point was that he needed a system with at least a 1.5 crop factor for bird photography but that he felt that there were no crop sensor mirrorless cameras worth considering. I was just pointing out my own positive experience with my crop sensor mirrorless system. I am not a shill for Olympus and would also suggest Nikon's own DX mirrorless cameras and Fujifilm as "good" alternatives for crop sensor mirrorless cameras as well.

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Feb 3, 2022 02:54:46   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
therwol wrote:
I don't know what percentage of new buyers are thinking about video, but you are correct. The video AF performance of the D850 sucks. The D780 is their only DSLR with good video AF performance, but you don't get the EVF.


With the high emphasis on video performance in a camera the demand appears to be very high.
If it gets used is irrelevant.
I will say about 90% of a current digital camera's features are never or almost never used even here in UHH land.

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