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Dec 16, 2021 22:39:33   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
lmTrying wrote:
Just so I'm clear on what you said. Not every 50 is nifty. To be nifty, a 50 should be capable of (faster than) f/1.8 or wider. Correct? Or does plastic have a bearing on this definition?


I think small size, light weight and low cost are attributes of 'nifty', somewhat opposite of your take above.

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Dec 16, 2021 23:26:16   #
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Orphoto wrote:
There are a fair number of photographers who seem to be unable to refer to a 50mm lens without adding the cutesy label "nifty".

In extremely small doses I smile. Beyond that I cringe.

I understand the history and derivation. Back in the day most cameras were sold with a 50mm lens. More often than not you had one lying around. These days it is an investment in that focal length, just like any other.

No other focal length is afflicted with such a nickname.

Why must some seemingly always attach the nifty when speaking of a 50?

Grumpy older man or silent majority?
There are a fair number of photographers who seem ... (show quote)

I cringe just like you. But that stoopid adjective is useful. Use of it tags the user for me. It’s a shortcut to knowing who to think of as dismissible. Another tag is ANY mention of old man Adams (context not withstanding).

Other self tagging stoopidity is stuff like referring to a Panasonic as “a Panny” or any similar faux hipness.

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Dec 17, 2021 05:12:46   #
BebuLamar
 
lmTrying wrote:
Just so I'm clear on what you said. Not every 50 is nifty. To be nifty, a 50 should be capable of (faster than) f/1.8 or wider. Correct? Or does plastic have a bearing on this definition?


I agree with Paul that to be nifty it has to be inexpensive.

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Dec 17, 2021 05:29:53   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Bill_de wrote:
If this was important enough to you to start a thread about it, you must be a bored, grumpy old man, hanging out with some strange folks.

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It was important enough for you to answer....?

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Dec 17, 2021 05:31:36   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Mac wrote:
I never understood the “Nifty” baby talk. I always thought it was generational, like adults taking gummie bear vitamins. Also Oly for Olympus or Pany for Panasonic. They never really grew up. We always called it “50mm” or a “normal” lens.


I hate gummies, but there is nothing childish about an adult liking them.

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Dec 17, 2021 05:36:40   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Orphoto wrote:
There are a fair number of photographers who seem to be unable to refer to a 50mm lens without adding the cutesy label "nifty".

In extremely small doses I smile. Beyond that I cringe.

I understand the history and derivation. Back in the day most cameras were sold with a 50mm lens. More often than not you had one lying around. These days it is an investment in that focal length, just like any other.

No other focal length is afflicted with such a nickname.

Why must some seemingly always attach the nifty when speaking of a 50?

Grumpy older man or silent majority?
There are a fair number of photographers who seem ... (show quote)

Ditto!!
At my age I deserve the right to appear Grumpy ( to say what I think) "you know", when I want to, But It is not a constant state.

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Dec 17, 2021 05:45:12   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
I prefer that to calling a lens "glass“. I'm surprised no one has yet said," I have GAS for class glass"

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Dec 17, 2021 06:05:35   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Orphoto wrote:
There are a fair number of photographers who seem to be unable to refer to a 50mm lens without adding the cutesy label "nifty".

In extremely small doses I smile. Beyond that I cringe.

I understand the history and derivation. Back in the day most cameras were sold with a 50mm lens. More often than not you had one lying around. These days it is an investment in that focal length, just like any other.

No other focal length is afflicted with such a nickname.

Why must some seemingly always attach the nifty when speaking of a 50?

Grumpy older man or silent majority?
There are a fair number of photographers who seem ... (show quote)


I beg to differ. Minolta had the (28-35) HAND SHAKE and the (70-200) BEER CAN and the (75-300) BIG BEER CAN, among other names. And let's not forget the Minolta SECRET HANDSHAKE (28-135).

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Dec 17, 2021 07:17:39   #
photon-collector Loc: Tampa Bay Area, Florida
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This thread reminds me of that scene for "My Fair Lady" where Henry Higgins sings "Why Can't the English Teach Their Childre How to Speak"

Slang., lingo, jargon, hackneyed colloquialisms, bizarre abbreviations, computer terminology and online cute abbreviations, endless technobabble and millions of acronyms, military words, communications language that originated with morse code, and kinda "buzz-words" that some folks think will make an outsider an instant insider are all ever-present. Every profession, business, art, craft, hobby, sport, has photography is no exception. Some are passing fads and some stick forever. It is a fact of life and we just gotta live with it. Fortunately, some of the really annoying ones fade away but eventually will be replaced with new ones.

I remember when portrait photographers were considered "low-class" if they told clients "I'm gonna shoot your kid, soup the negs, pull some proffs, and then you'll pick the shots one you like for blowups and yes, I will retouch the diaperrash! Now the upscale snobbish crowd wod say NO!!! We photograph you, children, create a set of "previews" or worse"debut prints" ("Proofs" are a dirty word) from which you can select for our Masterpiece collection of fine portraiture"! We don't retouch- we ENHANCE! God forbid you should ask for a "deposit" or a retainer, it is an "INVESTMENT! No wonder folks are shooting selfies for family pictures. Oh, and photographic consultants or salespersons were called "proof passers". They were carefully chosen among folks who were up to the ears in debt, desperate for money, and only given commission on sales! SHARKS!

Thumbnails, Why not toenails? The next time one of my assists says "copy that-boss "I will escort him to the roof and throw him off!

Flash GUN?- watt are we using flash powder in a T-Gun that is triggered with flint! Is it I.S.O, I-sew, I-so- who cares? An electronic flash unit, a Speedlight, a mono-light, or a studio flash unit is not really a STROBE. An actual stroboscopic light source is a rapidly repeating flash that is used for photographic motion studies, special effects, automotive engine timing, emergency lights atop a police car, or warning lights on road hazard barricades. OH, did anyone actually mash potatoes with a Metz "flashgun"!

Why is a low-profile, non-retro-focus lens call a "pancake"- do we clean it with maple syrup?

Ever been on a motion-picture production set. Do the age beer in a KEG-light. After you mount a huge Panavision camera on a TOP-HAT- do you place it on the camera operator's head? I have work still on several of these sets and it took me weeks to decipher their lingo.

"Nifty-Fifty" sounds more friendly than a 50mil. sound more lie is a 50mm Browning heavy machine gun that was developed during WWII.

Barndoors belong in the farmyard, snoots are par of an anteater, what's so beautiful about a "beauty light" to look lie a round stainless-steel sink with a drain at the center, with its built-in stopper in the raised position. Why not call it a "sink light"? If you still do a film in the darkroom, you cou use it alternately as a print washer!

My many the 50 is considered a "normal" but who around here is "NORMAL"? Photographers are supposed to be eccentric. That is what would happen if drilled another hole, off-center on a vinyl record and played it on your concentric turntable

Even the cuss words have changed and vary with ethnic and national roots. When I drop a heavy tripod in my foot, I can yell BOLIX, BUBKIS. or a few French-Canadian terms that pertain to artifacts of the church and nobody gets offended.

My advice, if a word annoys you, don't use it or encourage it, others will follow suit. If you broadcast the fact that doesn't like it- some folks will use it more to annoy you!

10-7 Good Buddy or QRT!


This thread reminds me of that scene for "My ... (show quote)


Very thoughtful reply, E.L. Shapiro. If one dissects the vocabulary of users on this site, it seems that either photographers in general, or perhaps simply UHH members, tend to overuse acronyms, slang and cliche. Capture an image? Great capture? Dropped the hammer? Pulled the trigger? GAS? and many, many, more....

I challenge each member of UHH to critically examine the posted responses on any given day. Once you begin to see the pattern, you will either find it humorous, or irritating.

I am certainly not a Language Arts major, but I do try not to resport to cliche.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:37:27   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
photon-collector wrote:
Very thoughtful reply, E.L. Shapiro. If one dissects the vocabulary of users on this site, it seems that either photographers in general, or perhaps simply UHH members, tend to overuse acronyms, slang and cliche. Capture an image? Great capture? Dropped the hammer? Pulled the trigger? GAS? and many, many, more....

I challenge each member of UHH to critically examine the posted responses on any given day. Once you begin to see the pattern, you will either find it humorous, or irritating.

I am certainly not a Language Arts major, but I do try not to resport to cliche.
Very thoughtful reply, E.L. Shapiro. If one diss... (show quote)


While I somewhat agree with your observations, many use texting and social media where such “brevity” is quite commonplace and reenforced daily by many, so it comes as no surprise.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:38:52   #
jam Loc: Beaufort, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I know what you mean - "Your mileage might differ," is one I can do without, although I do like some cliches. Just because words rhyme, they don't have to appear together all the time. I like, "It is what it is," though, although many people don't. It seems to put a final touch to a situation, like Amen at the end of a prayer. That's the way it is, and you can't do anything about it.

I use “It is what it is” all the time. My kids hated it.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:46:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cmc4214 wrote:
I hate gummies, but there is nothing childish about an adult liking them.

♪ ♫ ♪ "I don't wanna grow up, I'm a ... ."♫ ♪ ♪

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Dec 17, 2021 07:47:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jam wrote:
I use “It is what it is” all the time. My kids hated it.

"Funny how that works out, eh?"

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Dec 17, 2021 07:50:09   #
BebuLamar
 
A typical 50mm lens like a 50mm f/1.8 is nifty because you don't get an f/1.8 lens for $200 except for the 50mm. However, those exotic 50, 55, 58mm that cost in the thousands are not nifty.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:53:34   #
Abo
 
Orphoto wrote:
There are a fair number of photographers who seem to be unable to refer to a 50mm lens without adding the cutesy label "nifty".

In extremely small doses I smile. Beyond that I cringe.

I understand the history and derivation. Back in the day most cameras were sold with a 50mm lens. More often than not you had one lying around. These days it is an investment in that focal length, just like any other.

No other focal length is afflicted with such a nickname.

Why must some seemingly always attach the nifty when speaking of a 50?

Grumpy older man or silent majority?
There are a fair number of photographers who seem ... (show quote)


You, unlike most (and kudos for that) argued with a rhyme... it's
even less likely that a song will be disputed... You're
gunna love this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysFrt3V7nvI

It's just human nature Orphoto.

What gets up my nose like a giant corn flake is
those in the motorcycle community that refer
to a 250cc bike as a "two fiddy"...
the things you hear when you haven't got a machine gun!

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