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About that mirror ... First there was the blackout from the lifted mirror. That lasted about 50 years, until the instant return mirror appeared mid century.

About another 50 years later we have moved the focusing screen from the top of the camera body to the actual film gate, which eliminates the need for the mirror. Acoarst that also eliminated the need for any film as well, thus nicely avoiding any conflicting claims over the limited space in the film gate.

For historians, let’s note that full time liveview cameras have been in routine commercial use since 70 yrs ago. They just weren’t very portable, as clearly shown below:
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wide2tele Loc: Australia

Like the automatic transmission was to the car. I still drive a manual/stick as well.

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

MMMMMMMMMMM. Those don't look like OEM adapters. I stand by my statement. Have a wonderful day!

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

Agree to disagree my friend!

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

If you're happy, that's a good thing!

therwol Loc: USA

Okay. You got me. As someone who deliberately bought 3 "D" lenses recently, I didn't consider myself a "fossil" but rather making a choice based on my circumstances at the time.

BebuLamar

I only have one lens with built in motor. All my other lenses are screw drive or manual focus.

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Exactly perfect example. Stick shifting is retro amusement now that the automatic is vastly superior. Acoarst years ago the automatic was inferior. Devices evolve and conditions of use change. It took us about 3/4hr to go about a mile on the FDR one morning. All that time I was admiring a Ferrari directly ahead of me.

Bill_de Loc: US

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Right. Not OEM. Since the parts inside cameras are not all OEM I don’t worry whether parts outside the camera are OEM either. I’m doubting that the FTZ is OEM. Side by side with my Sony LAEA4, both appear to come from the same non OEM source. But nevertheless you really should stand by your statement. Really, why not ?!? OEM *should* be OEM !

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

Whatever you just said!

jeweler53

This has been fun. For the most part. But I'm leaving now.

terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains

Which is exactly why I have shot Nikon since Canon changed the FD mount to EF. It was either buy all new lenses or switch systems. I ultimately liked the Nikon cameras better, and went Nikon.

therwol Loc: USA

I keep trying to exit this seemingly exhausted thread, however you're giving me something else to write about.

Cars with manual transmissions are still available in the US, but very few people buy them these days, and the demand is dwindling. Yes, this is analogous to people still buying and using older camera technology. Old and new will still get you where you're going but in a different way. New technology in mirrorless cameras will eventually open up new doors, especially when the technology in advanced cameras like the Z9 trickle down into consumer oriented models, but right now, other than smaller size and quieter operation, it's mostly a wash between DSLR and mirrorless at the consumer level.

By the way, I've visited the UK and Ireland a number of times, and I rented a car on each trip. Cars over there are still dominated by ones with manual transmissions. I got frustrated with shifting with my left hand. It was a bit disorientating, and I'd find myself "downshifting" into 4th gear in roundabouts. Not a good thing. Anyway, after two trips, I started renting cars with an automatic transmission. In every case, even though I booked one type of car, I'd end up with something else because they would typically have a hundred cars on the car rental lot but only 2 with an automatic transmission, always more expensive than the car I booked. They had to honor my request, and twice I ended up with a Mercedes for the price of a compact car.

reverendray

I am one of those who falls into your "look at other options" due to not supporting F mount at all.