cjc2 wrote:
Whatever you just said!
Okay. Never mind. No hey problemo !
Keep calm and carry on. Steady on.
SuperflyTNT wrote:
What wasn’t noted is that it’s really not a big deal. The last new Nikon AF lens without a focus motor was released in 1998. Most of the people that have much of an investment in that old AF glass are the fossils from here that rail about the superiority of their DSLR’s and aren’t gonna go mirrorless anyway.
True, and those are the same old codgers that keep talking about Canon constantly changing their lens mounts being totally clueless on that.
Someone to even have a clue what the FD, FL and R mount is (All the same mount) would likely have to be at least 52 years old.
Most photographers still alive have only known the EF mount. And now the RF mount which is 100% compatible with EF lenses unlike so many F mount lenses on the Z camera.
Yes they can be mounted but do not fully function.
And ALL Canon FD, FL and R mount as well as M39 lenses can be mounted on the R cameras.
Bottom line is quit Canon mount bashing until you (Codger UHH'rs not the poster this is replying to) have a slight clue about the Canon system.
therwol wrote:
I keep trying to exit this seemingly exhausted thread, however you're giving me something else to write about.
Cars with manual transmissions are still available in the US, but very few people buy them these days, and the demand is dwindling. Yes, this is analogous to people still buying and using older camera technology. Old and new will still get you where you're going but in a different way. New technology in mirrorless cameras will eventually open up new doors, especially when the technology in advanced cameras like the Z9 trickle down into consumer oriented models, but right now, other than smaller size and quieter operation, it's mostly a wash between DSLR and mirrorless at the consumer level.
By the way, I've visited the UK and Ireland a number of times, and I rented a car on each trip. Cars over there are still dominated by ones with manual transmissions. I got frustrated with shifting with my left hand. It was a bit disorientating, and I'd find myself "downshifting" into 4th gear in roundabouts. Not a good thing. Anyway, after two trips, I started renting cars with an automatic transmission. In every case, even though I booked one type of car, I'd end up with something else because they would typically have a hundred cars on the car rental lot but only 2 with an automatic transmission, always more expensive than the car I booked. They had to honor my request, and twice I ended up with a Mercedes for the price of a compact car.
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Benz is a great example of what modern automatic trans can be. And the example I’m most aquatinted with is a 14 yrs old “S”. A brief encounter with a new one was interesting. Mostly nobody can follow my sister and her Porsche thru the woods. But her guests in a new “S” were on her like white on rice. That thing locks on and goes wherever, and however, she goes. I assured her she didn’t need to hold back. She did not. The S-Benz is really a cruise missile on wheels. She was impressed.
SX2002
Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
Excuse my apparent lack of knowledge, what is a Nikon "D" lens...
SX2002 wrote:
Excuse my apparent lack of knowledge, what is a Nikon "D" lens...
It depends on who you ask. You don’t actually need to know and might wish you’d never asked. Acoarst you’ve been here a long time, so no sooprize in that.
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SX2002 wrote:
Excuse my apparent lack of knowledge, what is a Nikon "D" lens...
Consider the data presented by Ken Rockwell at
https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm The 'D' lens is both a 'D' designation on the lens, and more importantly, the autofocus implementation that depends on the camera providing a mechanical coupling between camera and lens. There is a screwdriver
thing that pokes out of the camera that couples with a slotted rotating coupling on the lens. This screwdrive coupling rotates to move the lens in and out for focusing. The mirrorless FTZ adapter does not feature this coupling, leaving all ancient AF capable F-mount lenses as
manual-focus only lenses.
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the data presented by Ken Rockwell at
https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm The 'D' lens is both a 'D' designation on the lens, and more importantly, the autofocus implementation that depends on the camera providing a mechanical coupling between camera and lens. There is a screwdriver
thing that pokes out of the camera that couples with a slotted rotating coupling on the lens. This screwdrive coupling rotates to move the lens in and out for focusing. The mirrorless FTZ adapter does not feature this coupling, leaving all ancient AF capable F-mount lenses as
manual-focus only lenses.
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AF lenses that are not D lenses made before 1992 also has the screw driver slot too and won't AF with the FTZ.
cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
Perhaps we could address the REAL issue which is that these older lenses require the focusing motor to be inside the camera. While I expect it might be possible to build an adapter with a built-in motor for the lens, that would, most likely, be bulky and expensive. As an owner of several lenses in this 'no motor' category, I will simply keep a DSLR, such as my D850, if I want to continue to use them, OR, I will use them on my Z bodies as Manual Focusing lenses. Seven pages of arguing and name calling for what? It doesn't change the facts! Get over yourselves and get back to making images.
BebuLamar wrote:
AF lenses that are not D lenses made before 1992 also has the screw driver slot too and won't AF with the FTZ.
True. I have one of these first generation Nikon AF lenses, the 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro. It uses the screw driver autofocus, relying on a motor in the camera. On the other hand, macro work is usually best done with manual focus, which brings me to the problem with all of these early AF lenses. The focus ring is ridiculously narrow and metal, rather than covered with rubber. Nikon recognized this as a mistake and used more useable manual focus rings in later generations of their autofocus lenses.
cjc2 wrote:
Perhaps we could address the REAL issue which is that these older lenses require the focusing motor to be inside the camera. While I expect it might be possible to build an adapter with a built-in motor for the lens, that would, most likely, be bulky and expensive. .....................
Since I already own the adapter that you describe, having the built-in “screwdriver” motor, I can tell you that it cost no extra and is not huge and bulky. Nikon simply chose to leave out the motor.
User ID wrote:
Since I already own the adapter that you describe, having the built-in “screwdriver” motor, I can tell you that it cost no extra and is not huge and bulky. Nikon simply chose to leave out the motor.
I must have missed something in these 10 pages. You have an adaptor that has a motor built in that works with Nikon "D" lenses for autofocus on their Z cameras? I mean with the screw drive, not something that simply nudges the lens closer to and farther from the camera.
SX2002
Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the data presented by Ken Rockwell at
https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm The 'D' lens is both a 'D' designation on the lens, and more importantly, the autofocus implementation that depends on the camera providing a mechanical coupling between camera and lens. There is a screwdriver
thing that pokes out of the camera that couples with a slotted rotating coupling on the lens. This screwdrive coupling rotates to move the lens in and out for focusing. The mirrorless FTZ adapter does not feature this coupling, leaving all ancient AF capable F-mount lenses as
manual-focus only lenses.
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Thank you CHG, a sensible answer...
Ron.
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