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Sep 10, 2021 09:35:05   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Biden is beginning to make America pine for Jimmy Peanut.

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Sep 10, 2021 09:40:07   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Fire Biden, he's responsible for this Afghan debacle.


Debacle ???
Let’s see:
1. America is out of Afghanistan on announced schedule
2. Over 100,000 safely evacuated with minimal losses compared to reengaging in fighting around the country.
3. Ongoing America actions continue to facilitate America in safely evacuation.
Debacle ??

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Sep 10, 2021 09:44:35   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
1. 85 Billion in state of the art weaponry left behind.
2. Americans left behind.
3. 100,000 unvetted, unknown people (many not even from Afghanistan) entering our or other's countries.
4. 13 dead soldiers...so far

just for starters

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Sep 10, 2021 09:57:48   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dakotacheryl wrote:
1. 85 Billion in state of the art weaponry left behind.
2. Americans left behind.
3. 100,000 unvetted, unknown people (many not even from Afghanistan) entering our or other's countries.
4. 13 dead soldiers...so far

just for starters


Why do you post crap . The 85 billion posted was the total of all 20 years of war.
100,000! Are not coming to America !
Yes 13. Died .so far???? There are no America forces in Afghanistan .

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Sep 10, 2021 10:09:39   #
BadPhoto Loc: Maryland
 
DennyT wrote:
Why do you post crap . The 85 billion posted was the total of all 20 years of war.
100,000! Are not coming to America !
Yes 13. Died .so far???? There are no America forces in Afghanistan .


The $85 billion figure is the total amount spent on Afghan security forces; most of which was for training and infrastructure and not for weapons. The better estimate is less than $18 billion spent on equipment and transportation, so a lot less than $18 billion would be for weapons, and that's over the 20 year period. What the Afghan security forces actually had in weapons at the time of the withdrawal is most likely a lot lot less due to weapons aging out, wearing out, being expended (ammunition and bombs), and getting "lost" (this is Afghanistan, of course).

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Sep 10, 2021 10:24:43   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
BadPhoto wrote:
The $85 billion figure is the total amount spent on Afghan security forces; most of which was for training and infrastructure and not for weapons. The better estimate is less than $18 billion spent on equipment and transportation, so a lot less than $18 billion would be for weapons, and that's over the 20 year period. What the Afghan security forces actually had in weapons at the time of the withdrawal is most likely a lot lot less due to weapons aging out, wearing out, being expended (ammunition and bombs), and getting "lost" (this is Afghanistan, of course).
The $85 billion figure is the total amount spent o... (show quote)


Don’t confuse them with facts, there head might explode.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:30:55   #
KWK Loc: Southeast Mich
 
Yes, a great success.... Military left, allies and civilians stayed behind. Equipment left behind, they want to disarm the American people and leave many weapons behind. A great success I just can't wait for the next one

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Sep 10, 2021 10:39:09   #
FrumCA
 
BadPhoto wrote:
The $85 billion figure is the total amount spent on Afghan security forces; most of which was for training and infrastructure and not for weapons. The better estimate is less than $18 billion spent on equipment and transportation, so a lot less than $18 billion would be for weapons, and that's over the 20 year period. What the Afghan security forces actually had in weapons at the time of the withdrawal is most likely a lot lot less due to weapons aging out, wearing out, being expended (ammunition and bombs), and getting "lost" (this is Afghanistan, of course).
The $85 billion figure is the total amount spent o... (show quote)

The point is that most of this equipment was left behind. We will probably never know the exact value of the abandoned equipment but, not to help resolve relevant questions, the Biden Administration is now hiding key audits on the Afghan military equipment which makes it even more difficult.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:40:46   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
In a radio interview this morning in my local market, former Congressman Mark Walker told the radio audience that Joe Biden asked General Milley to resign after the Afghanistan withdrawl debacle. He stated his source was inside Milley's staff. Walker's opinion of this event was Biden was hoping for a scapegoat for the evacuation. The fact that Milley refused to resign and prevailed without being fired shows exactly how weak Biden is in his own administration.


My guess is that Thoroughly Modern Milley is too important as the champion of the woke culture which drives Biden. Biden doesn't drive it. Milley has had much more important successes against Trump and promoting the war against Conservatives than any mere military challenge.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:43:57   #
BadPhoto Loc: Maryland
 
FrumCA wrote:
The point is that most of this equipment was left behind. We will probably never know the exact value of the abandoned equipment but, not to help resolve relevant questions, the Biden Administration is now hiding key audits on the Afghan military equipment which makes it even more difficult.


This is the analysis of the $85 billion figure

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/republicans-inflate-cost-of-taliban-seized-u-s-military-equipment/

As for leaving it behind; equipment controlled by the US military was for the most part disabled if it was left behind. What had been given to the Afghan army was for the most part sold to the Taliban by the Afghan army. Probably in arrangements that were made very early in the process.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:48:19   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
National Park wrote:
And it has nothing to do with Bush, Obama or Trump? All Biden did was have the guts to leave, like what should have happened more than 15 years ago. Yes, it was chaotic, but there is no guarantee that a slower withdrawal would have gone any better. 3.5 trillion and 20 years yet the Afghan government collapsed in a New York minute.


Not the way Biden performed the withdrawal, that is all on Biden.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:08:28   #
BadPhoto Loc: Maryland
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Not the way Biden performed the withdrawal, that is all on Biden.


Well, the buck does stop there. And he stopped the bucks from being wasted in Afghanistan.

Next stop, Iraq. That one will be lively if the US ever pulls out of there.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:10:23   #
FrumCA
 
BadPhoto wrote:
This is the analysis of the $85 billion figure

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/republicans-inflate-cost-of-taliban-seized-u-s-military-equipment/

As for leaving it behind; equipment controlled by the US military was for the most part disabled if it was left behind. What had been given to the Afghan army was for the most part sold to the Taliban by the Afghan army. Probably in arrangements that were made very early in the process.

This is a pretty good analysis but when it comes from a left wing source such as the Annenberg Public Policy Center Project we have to remain diligent and take it with a grain of salt, particularly the part about most of it being disabled. I'm sure that much of it was disabled but the Biden administration is withholding key audit information so we may never know.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:16:00   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
BadPhoto wrote:
Well, the buck does stop there. And he stopped the bucks from being wasted in Afghanistan.

Next stop, Iraq. That one will be lively if the US ever pulls out of there.


Lol do you are not denying this is Bidens pull out mess?

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Sep 10, 2021 12:30:14   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
BadPhoto wrote:
This is the analysis of the $85 billion figure

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/republicans-inflate-cost-of-taliban-seized-u-s-military-equipment/

As for leaving it behind; equipment controlled by the US military was for the most part disabled if it was left behind. What had been given to the Afghan army was for the most part sold to the Taliban by the Afghan army. Probably in arrangements that were made very early in the process.


BS. Who is checking the Fact Checkers? This article is a pure activist defense of the Biden Afghanistan debacle. 20 million rounds of ammo can't be used, nor body armor and apparel? Apache and Blackhawk helicopters have already been used by the Taliban in Kabul along with armored vehicles none of which were disabled. And even disabling does not prevent reverse engineering by the Chinese or Russians. This goes for the world class Night-vision goggles which were never even mentioned in the article and gives the enemy an enormous tactical advantage. Fact-Check.org is a disgrace as are you.

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