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Dec 21, 2020 19:30:19   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
If you are concerned about buying a “Chinese” drone, consider the EVO, made by Autel Robotics. While the technology is Chinese, it is an American company and is not on a “no buy” list.There are virtually no restrictions on where you can fly it, as they leave it up to you to follow the FAA guidelines. The EVO II has very advanced obstacle avoidance sensors, and can be ordered in multiple camera configurations. I am not associated with Autel Robotics, but have been flying their drones under part 107 regs for 3 years. Their service is top-notch and an order of magnitude better that DJI. Just my 2 cents.

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Dec 21, 2020 23:17:02   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
sigo wrote:
The weight of the aircraft is irrelevant if you are using it for profit. If your mini is being flown commercially, then it too is being operated under part 107. If you are flying for your job, you’re being paid to fly, and you’re operating commercially. By the sounds of your application you are firmly in part 107 territory and you need a license. You probably want to be sure you are covered to operate a sUAS by your company’s insurance too.

Also, the hobbyist registration is not a one time fee. It covers all of your aircraft for only $5 but it must renewed every three years. Don’t forget to renew!
The weight of the aircraft is irrelevant if you ar... (show quote)
Nope. For my job, a drone is just another tool for photography. Sometimes I use my Sony, sometimes a point & shoot, sometimes a tablet, most of the time, I use a smart phone. All have to be shot in Jpeg. The drone is just another type of camera. The company does not pay me to use a drone. Oh yeah, I forgot about the renewing the license fee part. My bad.

And the weight thing; this never made sense to me. I have toy drones that weigh more than My Mavic Mini, yet no license is required. The Mavic Mini has its' weight printed clearly printed on it for obvious reasons. And yes, the company insurance has me and my drone covered in spades. Even with that, my company pays out nation wide over a million dollars a month in at fault damages. All in the cost of doing business.

Most important: I have fun at my job.

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Dec 22, 2020 00:28:09   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
ELNikkor wrote:
Smart to get one under the weight limit. The US will make you get a pilot's license and add all kinds of restrictions if it is over 9 ounces. I'm more frustrated with the stifling, invasive, spying, regulated, paranoid US than I am with China. What does China care what my videos of a swamp look like?


Reality check: many, if not most, of the regulations are based on public safety concerns. There have already been collisions between drones and commercial airliners because of clueless drone owners.



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Dec 22, 2020 00:40:55   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
scubadoc wrote:
If you are concerned about buying a “Chinese” drone, consider the EVO, made by Autel Robotics. While the technology is Chinese, it is an American company and is not on a “no buy” list.There are virtually no restrictions on where you can fly it, as they leave it up to you to follow the FAA guidelines. The EVO II has very advanced obstacle avoidance sensors, and can be ordered in multiple camera configurations. I am not associated with Autel Robotics, but have been flying their drones under part 107 regs for 3 years. Their service is top-notch and an order of magnitude better that DJI. Just my 2 cents.
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FAA guidelines and regulations are going to continue to get tighter as the months and years go by.

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Dec 22, 2020 02:14:20   #
Elle C
 
To be honest, if you are fine with your footage being stored in China on some random computer bank, go ahead and fly it.
Also... How will our guys know you even have it in the air, unless they are also tracking all traffic?
Enjoy your drone. I’d be more worried about a golden eagle grabbing it out of the air and trashing it. Go have some fun.

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Dec 22, 2020 08:05:52   #
sigo
 
tainkc wrote:
Nope. For my job, a drone is just another tool for photography. Sometimes I use my Sony, sometimes a point & shoot, sometimes a tablet, most of the time, I use a smart phone. All have to be shot in Jpeg. The drone is just another type of camera. The company does not pay me to use a drone. Oh yeah, I forgot about the renewing the license fee part. My bad.

And the weight thing; this never made sense to me. I have toy drones that weigh more than My Mavic Mini, yet no license is required. The Mavic Mini has its' weight printed clearly printed on it for obvious reasons. And yes, the company insurance has me and my drone covered in spades. Even with that, my company pays out nation wide over a million dollars a month in at fault damages. All in the cost of doing business.

Most important: I have fun at my job.
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It’s great you have fun at your job. That means you never have to work a day in your life.
You can classify your tools any way you’d like, but the FAA has classified some of them for you. Sounds to the crowd here like you’re just avoiding the commercial use regulations. If you’re using your sUAS for work, then you’re under Part 107. Doesn’t matter that it’s just for photography. Good luck!

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Dec 22, 2020 20:40:19   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Elle C wrote:
To be honest, if you are fine with your footage being stored in China on some random computer bank, go ahead and fly it.
Also... How will our guys know you even have it in the air, unless they are also tracking all traffic?
Enjoy your drone. I’d be more worried about a golden eagle grabbing it out of the air and trashing it. Go have some fun.


" if you are fine with your footage being stored in China on some random computer bank, go ahead and fly it."

I shoot lots of video and know how hard it is to send/upload video files. It pretty much takes a strong wired connection. Even if the drone has a cell modem built in, there isn't enough bandwidth.

It came with a 128GB SD card. That much data does not share on wireless connections.

A real problem is that there is no choice to buy an alternative. I looked. There is one choice at over twice the price that doesn't work very well.

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Dec 22, 2020 20:42:58   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
aellman wrote:
Reality check: many, if not most, of the regulations are based on public safety concerns. There have already been collisions between drones and commercial airliners because of clueless drone owners.


I'm a Navy trained pilot with commercial, instrument and instructor certificates. Unlike airline pilots, most of my 5000 hours are in single engine, low altitude aircraft. I have some experience with aviation safety.

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Dec 22, 2020 23:17:06   #
tallshooter
 
aellman wrote:
FAA guidelines and regulations are going to continue to get tighter as the months and years go by.


Maybe not, EU and British, are coming out with new drone regs at the end of this year. They are much more reasonable than their current regs. That flying community is very excited.

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Dec 23, 2020 02:02:52   #
Elle C
 
In this case, I think you should enjoy flying your new drone. All this hoohah going on at the federal level will blow over at some point. Drones are here to stay. As the rest of the world advances, the US won’t shoot itself in the foot. Have fun with your drone.

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Dec 23, 2020 07:18:25   #
National Park
 
bsprague wrote:
Drones may become harder to get. So I bought one from my favorite New York camera store. To be fair to the camera store, I am not going break any seals on the box until I know more. My choice was the recently updated "Mini 2". It weighs under nine ounces, fits in a jacket pocket, shoots 4K video and 12 MP RAW stills.

To be fair to the camera store, I am not going break any seals on the box until I know more.

What do I need to know about owning, operating and shooting with a Chinese made drone?
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Are Chinese made drones going to be banned out of spying concerns?

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Dec 23, 2020 09:09:23   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
bsprague wrote:
" if you are fine with your footage being stored in China on some random computer bank, go ahead and fly it."

I shoot lots of video and know how hard it is to send/upload video files. It pretty much takes a strong wired connection. Even if the drone has a cell modem built in, there isn't enough bandwidth.

It came with a 128GB SD card. That much data does not share on wireless connections.

A real problem is that there is no choice to buy an alternative. I looked. There is one choice at over twice the price that doesn't work very well.
" if you are fine with your footage being sto... (show quote)



Please explain to me how video that I shoot from my dji or any other drone would end up some servers in China, inquiring mind wants to know.

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Dec 23, 2020 09:18:41   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
sr71 wrote:
Please explain to me how video that I shoot from my dji or any other drone would end up some servers in China, inquiring mind wants to know.


I didn't suggest that. Ell C did.

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Dec 23, 2020 09:22:53   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
National Park wrote:
Are Chinese made drones going to be banned out of spying concerns?


That is not the current stink. Last week DJI was put on a Department of Commerce list with about 70 other companies. USA companies are not to sell anything to those companies. It is supposed to make it harder for them to 'steal' USA technology. As near as I can tell, we will continue to be able to buy DJI flying cameras as long as they have no USA components.

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Dec 23, 2020 14:36:39   #
Elle C
 
🤫 Not being clear to whom I am now replying, I will say that it was random computers in China which have recently been accused of garnering intel from many (so many) sources lately. So, this leapt to mind. Sorry, but it was a bit of hyperbole. Mea culpa. 🙏🏼.
I reckon you might be afraid of opening the package because what’s happened has made you afraid that your drone could find itself an orphan because of shifting policies. I say, damn the regulators, and full speed ahead. Enjoy flying your new drone. I wish I had one myself.

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