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Mar 11, 2020 15:32:48   #
danbir1 Loc: North Potomac, MD
 
Daryls wrote:
That is so true danbir1. The media has to make a profit to stay in business and hype builds curiosity and that breeds customers and high advertising fees. You cannot blame them much for what they do then.

Daryl


Thanks, Daryl, and of course we can only blame ourselves for consuming the stuff that the media feeds us relentlessly.

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Mar 11, 2020 15:36:19   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
htbrown wrote:
This is one reason I wanted to stay away from the political aspects of this. I will however, respond to your points, and then I'll sign off.
1) Assembling an expert team from scratch is not as effortless as some have claimed. At the very least, there is time lost organizing when the team could be responding. Having teams working in places where new diseases might emerge can slow or prevent those new diseases from arriving in the US, so helping those countries helps us as well.
2) Medical experts are remarkably consistent in their advice about COVID. To say that experts are all over the map may be true, but medical experts are not.
3) If South Korea can test a hundred thousand people within a few weeks of a novel disease outbreak, why cannot the US? I have heard a great many explanations for this, none of them edifying.
4) Will the damage to our economy be less if we contain COVID sooner rather than later? Concern about the economy should not prevent us from addressing the hazard that threatens our economy.
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TO address your points -

1) A standing group will still need to assemble experts in the current disease. So the recruitment will still take as long. This is the fact that partisan factions refuse to acknowledge. In fact, with most bureaucratic organizations, a standing organization PREVENTS rapid response due to a static manner in which changes or policy are implemented.

2) What is the consistency that the 'experts' (which you again do not define) have expressed ? Most every media identified epidemiologist 'experts' reported through the media state that they don't know specifics about the virus in terms of communicability, intensity or duration because the sample case counts are too small to provide accurate analytical data and the anecdotal evidence is unreliable due to the lack of history for the virus.

3) Not sure how you are linking this to a previous administration's actions. The testing process, procedure and materials are not created by any governmental agency in the US and were not under the previous administration.

4) Again, not clear on how this applies to your initial argument that the current administration has contributed to the problem by ending a unnamed organization. Obfuscation or lack of actual fact is not a proof of conclusion.

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Mar 11, 2020 15:43:29   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
htbrown wrote:
This is one reason I wanted to stay away from the political aspects of this. I will however, respond to your points, and then I'll sign off.
1) Assembling an expert team from scratch is not as effortless as some have claimed. At the very least, there is time lost organizing when the team could be responding. Having teams working in places where new diseases might emerge can slow or prevent those new diseases from arriving in the US, so helping those countries helps us as well.
2) Medical experts are remarkably consistent in their advice about COVID. To say that experts are all over the map may be true, but medical experts are not.
3) If South Korea can test a hundred thousand people within a few weeks of a novel disease outbreak, why cannot the US? I have heard a great many explanations for this, none of them edifying.
4) Will the damage to our economy be less if we contain COVID sooner rather than later? Concern about the economy should not prevent us from addressing the hazard that threatens our economy.
This is one reason I wanted to stay away from the ... (show quote)


htbrown.

1) Assembling a new team does take some time, but not necessarily as long as you may think. I say this because we did a lot of organizing under the Department of Homeland Security since 2001 and we continue to conduct planning, training, and exercising of those plans every year since. The new team the president organized is an executive-level team who coordinate the various preparedness and response activities of the federal government and the state health departments and private hospitals. Much of the structure has been in place since 2005.

2) Did you know that medical experts were all over the place - folks the CDC said different things and made different predictions and recommendations. It took the CDC some time to reign in these folks opinions and get them on the same page. It is an issue we in emergency management have to on work during every emergency and disaster situation - rumor control, especially from experts.

3) Yes, we have heard that about South Korea, but I have not seen any details regarding their response. Also understand that the population of South Korea is only 51 million. We have over 330 million. It is probably a matter of priorities (we are in a flu pandemic) and scale rather than our lack of ability or willpower.

4) Containment would be nice, IF it were possible. Did you know that we still cannot contain the common cold virus or the annual flu virus? How are we going to contain this virus unless the world stops the movement of humans from a small area where they currently reside? Know that the majority of COVID-19 infections in the USA came from people who travelled overseas, got infected, and then returned to the USA and spread it some here? Protecting the economy is just one aspect of the activities our government is responding to. There are a lot of interrelated and moving parts just in the USA. Even more interconnectedness with the rest of the world - think supply chains, monetary issues, politics, morality, religion, etc. We are not in this alone. Even China will come around as the Xi recognizes this the rest to his power base and that he cannot deal with it alone.

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Mar 11, 2020 15:47:18   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
danbir1 wrote:
Thanks, Daryl, and of course we can only blame ourselves for consuming the stuff that the media feeds us relentlessly.


Exactly danbir1. Unfortunately, our government schools are not teaching critical thinking skills to our children. So they cannot tell the difference between propaganda and fact. It is something I pushed on my University of Phoenix Online students when I was teaching management courses. The same thing with my emergency management courses I teach for FEMA and various state emergency management / homeland security departments. It is a never ending battle, but worthwhile fighting.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 15:52:07   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
olemikey wrote:
We can all see that the current administartion is way behind the curve in the response effort, they can downplay it all they want, till the Whitehouse Chief Of Staff tested positive, they will be wiping down AF1 hourly!! DT might have to forego his weekly golf retreats to Maralago.......and address the issue. The bad is that a Chinese Bat Virus might take down many of us (The CDC stated that those over 60 and those with compromised immune systems are in real danger), and I take them seriously. AND that it takes from 5-to-14 days to show symptoms in those infected is a real problem for all of us. Warmer weather is supposed to kill/knock down the virus, so let's hope it does.....give us a chance to develop something to knock out the virus, besides my UVC-lamp!!
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"is way behind the curve in the response effort" ...In what way??? The "chance to develop" will take more than a year.

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Mar 11, 2020 15:55:39   #
danbir1 Loc: North Potomac, MD
 
Daryls wrote:
Exactly danbir1. Unfortunately, our government schools are not teaching critical thinking skills to our children. So they cannot tell the difference between propaganda and fact. It is something I pushed on my University of Phoenix Online students when I was teaching management courses. The same thing with my emergency management courses I teach for FEMA and various state emergency management / homeland security departments. It is a never ending battle, but worthwhile fighting.

Daryl


We need more teachers like you Daryl!
Dan

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Mar 11, 2020 16:05:58   #
CA_CanonUser Loc: Friendswood, TX
 
Anyone who quotes a percent death rate is simply grasping at air. We know the numerator of that fraction, but we have no earthly idea what the denominator is -- and will not until we have tested a large percentage of the population for possible infection.

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Mar 11, 2020 16:16:46   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
danbir1 wrote:
We need more teachers like you Daryl!
Dan


Thanks Dan. I really appreciate it.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 16:19:06   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
CA_CanonUser wrote:
Anyone who quotes a percent death rate is simply grasping at air. We know the numerator of that fraction, but we have no earthly idea what the denominator is -- and will not until we have tested a large percentage of the population for possible infection.


Not only that, but also all the folks who were infected and have recovered already. Otherwise, we only have the current rate based upon those who have been tested and not the total historical numbers.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 16:32:22   #
Ioannis
 
I’m sorry but this is a photo forum and not a daily news section, don’t you guys think we’re penetrated enough with news from TV and social media?

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Mar 11, 2020 16:42:50   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
dpullum wrote:
The Obama admin had set up a system to deal with potential epidemics and pandemics. Trump in his wisdom got rid of that system.


The Obama admin set up the system where all lab tests had to flow through the FDA, causing much of the initial delay in getting testing up to speed. Trump in his wisdom rescinded that order, and finally testing will be getting to where it should be.

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Mar 11, 2020 16:54:09   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
htbrown wrote:
If South Korea can test a hundred thousand people within a few weeks of a novel disease outbreak, why cannot the US?

For some unclear reason, the CDC chose to develop their own test rather than using existing tests. And the CDC's test, turned out to be flawed.

That, combined with the in-place regulation that all testing flow through the FDA (meaning private labs could not develop and conduct testing), significantly delayed testing availability in the U.S.

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Mar 11, 2020 16:59:24   #
danbir1 Loc: North Potomac, MD
 
Ioannis wrote:
I’m sorry but this is a photo forum and not a daily news section, don’t you guys think we’re penetrated enough with news from TV and social media?


This is a General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)

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Mar 11, 2020 17:04:46   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
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Mar 11, 2020 18:12:02   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Well, so much for "apolitical", but not unusual after four pages of comments.

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