Unfair Denial by Forum moderator?
Nov 17, 2019 16:35:37 #
Graham Smith wrote:
There you go again Bob, blaming everyone else and accepting none yourself.
That is quite a statement. It seems to me a projection of your attitude, but others would have to verify my opinion, if they care. I do know your statement is logical nonsense.
Nov 17, 2019 16:38:47 #
artbob: normal i would just read and pass, because i had no opinion, but the more i read i decided to go back to"fyc" and see what offence's you where being judged on. i read several threads you posted on, and i can see where people could be offended . your persistence to try and keep proofing yourself right on someone else's thread ......not cool.
Nov 17, 2019 16:39:01 #
mwsilvers wrote:
I read the entire thread in i "For Your Cons... (show quote)
I appreciate your speaking out. We both see, I think, that perceptions are quite unreliable. I've asked people, "So, you and I have thought things out, can detect bias in others--but how can we critique our own mind to find out if we really are correct?'
Nov 17, 2019 16:40:22 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
You know what assuming can lead to? 😇
By now, Linda, your bias should be quite evident--no assumption necessary.
Nov 17, 2019 16:47:37 #
redhogbill wrote:
artbob: normal i would just read and pass, because i had no opinion, but the more i read i decided to go back to"fyc" and see what offence's you where being judged on. i read several threads you posted on, and i can see where people could be offended . your persistence to try and keep proofing yourself right on someone else's thread ......not cool.
You would most certainly be right, IF I was trying to "prove myself." Why was it not obvious to you that, by citing specifics, principles, and logic, I was trying to prove what seemed true, and by asking for facts and logic from those who disagreed I was trying to reach some semblance of truth. Do you not think truth important?
If someone can prove my position is wrong, I now have greater knowledge than before. "If you are a person of the same sort as myself I should be glad to continue questioning you: if not, I can let it drop. Of what sort am I? One of those who would be glad to be refuted if I say anything untrue, and glad to refute anyone else who might speak untruly; but just as glad, mind you, to be refuted as to refute, since I regard former as the greater benefit" Socratic dialogue Gorgias, by Plato.
Nov 17, 2019 16:52:01 #
redhogbill wrote:
artbob: normal i would just read and pass, because i had no opinion, but the more i read i decided to go back to"fyc" and see what offence's you where being judged on. i read several threads you posted on, and i can see where people could be offended . your persistence to try and keep proofing yourself right on someone else's thread ......not cool.
In my opinion artBob has been wrong in many threads and insisted that he was right. Still I don't think that is the reason for prohibiting him from posting.
Nov 17, 2019 16:52:02 #
artBob wrote:
I guess you missed where I eventually mentioned which moderator, R.G., of the three I thought overstepped his role. I didn't mention him in the first post, because accusations stick in our heads, and I didn't want to smear anyone. IF a person was interested in the situation, and read the thread, he would know the moderator whom I spoke of.
I regret that I did no feel a necessity to continue with the topic. At least I now know that there are those who feel it is acceptable to place shade on individuals and that it is OK to make a correction later. The harm was only temporary. Of course, for those who do not follow the postings, the insult could be permanent.
Bruce
Nov 17, 2019 17:11:37 #
I did not read the FYC post ... though I did read this one.
Below may ( or may not ) give you an idea why some people feel the way they do.
Below may ( or may not ) give you an idea why some people feel the way they do.
artBob wrote:
I think this moderator needs some schooling in moderating.
artBob wrote:
and what works poorly.
artBob wrote:
his view about what is helpful is often confined to his own way of working, It often doesn't help because it ignores the stated or otherwise obvious intent of the OP.
artBob wrote:
I sure hope I am right, while remaining open to all comments.
artBob wrote:
I try to do critiquing the right way
artBob wrote:
as a community college art prof
artBob wrote:
properly couched critique
artBob wrote:
I fight back, usually with facts, then with "authority" (my qualification to address the ideas),
artBob wrote:
So, the sensible thing is to align you with the very small minority (about 3 in 500) who felt that way
artBob wrote:
They are insecure.
artBob wrote:
You irritate me quite a bit
artBob wrote:
I suspect the feeling of condescension you get is wrong
artBob wrote:
I feel that your personal dislike that some are superior to you is not helping.
artBob wrote:
I didn't find your gripes helpful
artBob wrote:
I think "via the lens" and "R.G.' should apologize
artBob wrote:
I do know your statement is logical nonsense.
artBob wrote:
By now, xxxxx, your bias should be quite evident
artBob wrote:
If someone can prove my position is wrong
Nov 17, 2019 17:17:49 #
dannac wrote:
I did not read the FYC post ... though I did read this one.
Below may ( or may not ) give you an idea why some people feel the way they do.
Below may ( or may not ) give you an idea why some people feel the way they do.
No idea, except that facts or opinions supported by facts drive some people to feeling persecuted. Why that is is the most interesting part to me.
Nov 17, 2019 17:21:36 #
BebuLamar wrote:
In my opinion artBob has been wrong in many threads and insisted that he was right. Still I don't think that is the reason for prohibiting him from posting.
"Insisted he was right"--That would really bother me. I demand of myself and others facts and reasoning to back up opinions. I try to "insist" that we try to get at the truth by that route. Do you find something wrong in that?
Nov 17, 2019 20:10:16 #
artBob wrote:
"Insisted he was right"--That would really bother me. I demand of myself and others facts and reasoning to back up opinions. I try to "insist" that we try to get at the truth by that route. Do you find something wrong in that?
I don't bother going into that! I and others have proven you wrong yet you still insisted that you were right. You never could see that you were wrong. But that my opinion. I don't support in silent you but please don't say I offended you.
Nov 17, 2019 20:33:06 #
Bobspez wrote:
Professional critics sometimes come off as pompous,
arrogant and sarcastic. Usually it's not appreciated.
I've been kicked off several forums in the past when
membership was dependent on going along with the
mods. I have failed classes when a good grade was
dependent on going along with the teacher.
Life's not fair.
Professional critics sometimes come off as pompous,
arrogant and sarcastic. Usually it's not appreciated.
I've been kicked off several forums in the past when
membership was dependent on going along with the
mods. I have failed classes when a good grade was
dependent on going along with the teacher.
Life's not fair.
Same here. I'm not allow to reply to threads
started by newbies. NOT for demeaning the
newbs, but for giving newbs a "negative first
impression" of UHH, due to my tendency to
not suffer fools lightly. Mod specified that it
is my harsh disagreements with established
members that gives the negative impression
... and not any insult etc toward any newbies.
Apparently it's better for newbs to encounter
bogus advice than for them to encounter any
heavy dissidence within the ranks. Now if I
open a thread and find the author is a newb,
I usually just close it without reading it. Less
frustrating ... but at the newb's expense.
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I'd never bother with anything such as the
"campaign" that Artbob is attempting. Not
my job to fix management decisions.
But do as you feel is appropriate, Artbob. To
each their own personal quest ! But, may I
gently remind you, that this is not actually a
"free market of ideas". Like the rest of the
web, it's an advertising channel that thrives
not on "facts", "truths" or "ideas" but rather
on its entertainment value.
Nov 17, 2019 20:42:53 #
User ID wrote:
Same here. I'm not allow to reply to threads br s... (show quote)
I'm really curious, how are you prevented from replying to posts by newbies??
Nov 17, 2019 20:45:23 #
User ID wrote:
Same here. I'm not allow to reply to threads br s... (show quote)
If folks don't feel welcome from the get go they could simply decide to go somewhere else. That benefits neither UHH nor the potential new member. It was easier before the internet. When a new potential member came to a camera (or other type) club they were usually welcomed with open arms. In time you could make judgements, but never before they decided to stay ... and PAID THEIR DUES $$$.
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Nov 17, 2019 20:52:19 #
srt101fan wrote:
I'm really curious, how are you prevented
from replying to posts by newbies??
I'm really curious, how are you prevented
from replying to posts by newbies??
Use of the reply button generates
an "Access Denied, Not Permitted
to Reply .... etc etc" notice.
As to how I know the specifics of
the reason it is applied to me, it
was well explained in a PM to me.
The PM does indicate that there's
some recourse open to me, but I
find that simply not reading any
newbie-authored threads "keeps
the peace" ... and I'm not Jeanne
d'Arc out to save La France.
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