jburlinson Loc: Austin, TX

Yes, it is, isn't it? As I said, my quaint notions of editing come from experience in print media. In that world, when someone marks up my copy with lines and symbols, it's called editing.

The main reason I periodically check into UHH is to learn something about photography, a subject in which I am not expert. Similarly, I'm not trained or adept in the techniques of visual analysis. That's also something I hope to learn through UHH. So now I've learned, at least I think I've learned, that marking up an image is not editing. "Editing" in the visual analysis world, appears to be limited strictly to making actual changes to the image, which obviously results in a different image.

I'm not sure everyone on UHH considers the term "edit" in this limited way. For that reason, in order to possibly bring something positive out of this long discussion, may I suggest clarifying the guidelines for FYC to read something like: "one must not edit OR MARK UP another person's image without explicit permission to do so."

Darkroom317, Bob, RG -- Would you be OK with this kind of wording?

Thanks for considering.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Since you mention that particular post, I would describe it as being very significant because it's exactly the point where you should have given a clear acknowledgement of the fact that your actions had caused annoyance. A polite apology would then have been in order, ideally followed by clear reassurance that you would never post any unrequested and/or unauthorised additions to anybody's images ever again.

The nearest you came to giving an apology was to state that if you'd seen Graham's signature comment you wouldn't have posted your altered image. However, even that was conditional because apparently if the signature comment had just mentioned editing and not included marking in any way you would have felt at liberty to add your overlays etc. But instead of apologising you went straight into aggressive self-justification mode, and you've been in it ever since. And you continue to present yourself as an innocent victim when the obvious truth is you were an instigator and perpetrator.

Your position on several points still isn't clear because you seem to be reluctant to give clear acknowledgements and reassurances when they're sought. For example, do you acknowledge that there are many in UHH that don't want any kind of interference to any of their images (which would include adding overlays or any other type of markings)?

And do you acknowledge that there are many in UHH that take the words "edit" and "editing" to mean any alterations to their images? Or do you see those people as being in error because they don't share your preferred definition of those terms?

And do you realise that amongst the many that don't want any interference to their images there are only a few that express that preference in their signature comment area? Do you realise that's why it's important to ask permission first? And do you appreciate that the FYC guidelines are the result of much consideration and discussion?

I don't expect any kind of straight answer to any of the above, because it doesn't seem to be your way. And for a similar reason I don't expect you to give any clear acknowledgements or reassurances as described above.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Thanks for your suggestion, JB. I'll follow up your suggestion.

Bill_de Loc: US

Or simply 'Do not repost another's image for any reason, without permission"

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R.G. Loc: Scotland

After some discussion we've decided to include that too. Thanks for your suggestion.