RMM Loc: Suburban New York

No, just arrogant and opinionated.

Gnslngr

I won't give you flack, but I am curious: what you saw on television was the admission of a felonious act in this country. (See, as an example, 42 U.S.C. §1973 et seq.) Being the stalwart citizen you claim to be, my only question is this: What did the authorities do when you reported to them what you saw and told them there was a video tape to prove it?

jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx

it was !!

pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

Let me get this right. Are you saying our elected officials might bend the rules or break the law? I'm shocked! :shock: I mean, we have people like Jimmy Carter and the rest of the circus clowns going to foreign countries to make sure their elections are fair so there is no way our elections are nothing but honest. I mean the Peanut Farmer in Chief is doing so much helping out our country with Habitat for Humanity. And we all know the Iranians worked out a deal to wait on President Reagan to be elected before the hostages were released. I mean Iran is our friend. We're all being jerked around by the fools in DC. But they're not the fools. :thumbup:

rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona

Read the first and second paragraphs carefully. This is a racist rant and it is shameful and disgusting.[/quote]

OK...I read the first and second paragraph. What makes it a racist rant? There are two beliefs expressed in the first paragraph. First, the writer believes the second term of Barack Obama will destroy the country. Is is racist because he is accusing a black man of destroying the country? I don't think so. If he believed the country was being destroyed because the president was black, that would be racist but that is not in evidence here. I can list a number of reasons I believe the presidents policies are damaging this country and there is nothing racist about that.
The second belief expressed in the first paragraph was that white Christian males had discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind. While I admit a lot of others contributed to The United States through it's history, a large majority of the work founding this nation was done by white Christian males.
The second paragraph states "A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America." While he mentions two race groups, this is actually a collection of political groups. These groups have exerted a lot of force causing a lot of change. While some of the changes have been positive, a lot have not. Actually, what he should have said was activists for these groups. I believe for example that a lot of damage has been done by activists of these groups. I also believe that these "activists" are often self interested and do damage to the groups they are supposedly representing. We can argue about specific examples whether I am right or wrong but I still don't see how these paragraphs are racist.

I define racism as - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

If you see evidence of this in the first two paragraphs..or anywhere in the posting, please point it out. Tell me what I am missing. While I can't guarantee this post was not written by a racist, I don't see anything to indicate that it was.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

It was on public television and viewed by thousands. In my area the best way to survive is to tend to your own business. That is what I did and apparently so did everyone else.

I do a great deal of video so I understand how the videographer can manipulate what you see. The reporter seemed shocked by what he was seeing so it was most likely real. However, knowing what I do about video production I would not go to the cops without verifying what I saw.

I attempted to verify what I saw but the whole thing was "disappeared" as they say in Philly. I reported it to the Republican rep and never heard back.

Not sure what else could be done.

rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona

Which part of excellent campaigner and help of liberal press didn't you get? I sound like Romney bemoaning how the election was bought? You said that...not me. I just said...now read this part slowly......HE IS AN EXCELLENT CAMPAIGNER AND HE HAD THE HELP OF A LIBERAL PRESS. So you say deal with it? I have no choice but to deal with it. My taxes have already gone up...and they are going to go up again. My healthcare costs are rising. Gas prices are going up. More people are on food stamps than ever before in history. We have trillion dollar deficits! The national debt is over 16 trillion dollars and climbing. We may be entering into another recession. I have no choice but to "deal with it"! The whole country is having to deal with it. But sooner or later, people will realize what is causing the problems and get rid of the ploiticians who enact the stupid policies that are doing so much damage to this country today!

Gnslngr

What else could be done is reporting it to the authorities. If "thousands" saw it, I am certain that it would, in fact, have been reported and the criminals apprehended and tried. Yet nothing happened.

My guess is that you misunderstood what you saw. Perhaps that might serve as a lesson. :thumbup:

ted45 Loc: Delaware

It is possible I misunderstood. I know several people that saw it and we must have all misunderstood.

It is also possible you are not familiar with politics in my area. Both sides break the law at every election so I can't see the Republicans making it an issue. Since the town the interview was being broadcast from only has about two republicans I also can't see anybody getting upset. All but one of the town council members has a criminal record. Yes, they are all democrats.

Gnslngr

I am aware of the political realities of Philly. Nonetheless, and with all due respect, there are sworn officers of the law that surely would have investigated a videotaped election crime. If it was as you say, they would have. They did not. Again, I find it hard to believe that things happened as you say.

However, if your point is that fraud happens widely in democratic urban areas and historically equally widely in republican rural and suburban areas, then I agree. Each side cancels out the other, I suspect, so that the winner truly is the winner. Mr. Obama won a decisive victory, and has at his back the will of the people, just as Bush did in 2004.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I am not about to argue the validity of those elections. The winner is declared and we live with it. No point in crying over it. Yes, I think they cancel each other out.

However, I simply described what I and several of my friends saw. Believe it or don't, it won't change anything. I am not part of that political group so I don't know if anything was done about it or not. The Black Panthers were beating and intimidating people at the poles in Phila. and it made National News on video. Nothing was done about it so why would I expect anyone to get their shorts in a bunch over this tiny speck in the world?

I appreciate your approach to this exchange. We can talk without attempting to degrade one another. We have a different point of view and that is good. There would be nothing to discuss if we all had the same point of view.

Gnslngr

Well said, and true. As a side note, when it comes to election fraud, you guys in Philly are amateurs. I can say that as I was born and raised in Chicago.
:thumbup:

ted45 Loc: Delaware

Point taken! 8-)

pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

If it was on public television I doubt if it was viewed by "thousands". I doubt that waste of taxpayer dollars has that many viewers and the NPR even less listeners. :roll:

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I did not say NPR. When I said public TV I was referring to the free stations like CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX. I was most likely watching the local CBS affliate.