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Feb 20, 2024 09:28:19   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
What an erroneous and bloviated nonsense deflection. So your excuse is that there is gonna be too many embryos where we’re gonna put them? So therefore it’s OK to kill him? What idiocy. By the way, I know exactly what an embryo is.


So, what would you do with these unwanted embryos?
Try to give me an answer and not resort to your usual insults.
I'll await your answer.

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Feb 20, 2024 09:43:01   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
So, what would you do with these unwanted embryos?
Try to give me an answer and not resort to your usual insults.
I'll await your answer.


There you go with that stupidity of an argument. You’re just extending your illegitimate argument.

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Feb 20, 2024 10:02:51   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
There you go with that stupidity of an argument. You’re just extending your illegitimate argument.


So, you cannot answer.
Is it because you don't like the answer or are you incapable of figuring it out?

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Feb 20, 2024 10:53:50   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
So, you cannot answer.
Is it because you don't like the answer or are you incapable of figuring it out?


No, it’s because it’s a stupid question and it’s illegitimate.

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Feb 20, 2024 11:43:49   #
srg
 
Frank T wrote:
Okay Rac, I'll give this a try.
When a couple goes to a fertility clinic because they can't conceive and sign up for invitro fertilization, eggs are harvested from the female, and sperm is collected from the male.
The eggs are then fertilized outside the human body and thus become by definition, "embryos".
In no clinic in the nation is only one egg harvested as they might need a couple of tries to get one that is viable. Let's for argument's sake say that they fertilize six eggs. Let's also imagine that this couple is extremely lucky and the egg gets implanted on the first round.
This would then leave five fertilized eggs left, which by definition are considered embryos.
To date, it is estimated that nearly 12 million babies are born from invitro fertilization. Considering the failure rate, that could mean as many as 60 million embryos are still in the fridge.
If not destroy them, what would you like to do with them?
How many children can I put you down to adopt?
Okay Rac, I'll give this a try. br When a couple ... (show quote)


Please take note.
You are attempting to use logic with raQ.
Good thing he never masturbated, because that would be murder too.

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Feb 20, 2024 12:15:07   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
srg wrote:
Please take note.
You are attempting to use logic with raQ.
Good thing he never masturbated, because that would be murder too.


lol logic from you or Frank? You don’t even know the difference between an embryo and a sperm.

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Feb 20, 2024 12:20:12   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
lol logic from you or Frank? You don’t even know the difference between an embryo and a sperm.


So little boy, is your plan to force the donor to carry each frozen embryo to term?

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Feb 20, 2024 12:33:19   #
btbg
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Alabama Supreme Court Rules That Frozen Embryos Are 'Children'...

Push this just a little and if a parent decides to let go of their embryos, and you have multiple murder in the first degree. Then if anything happens you have causing death by negligence...

Potential parent are suing because of a hospital mishaps that led to the destruction of their embryos.

When will the insanity stop?

If this is moronic decision is held, I hope someone will sue the parents for child abuse since they kept them frozen in time. Then there is the issue of child abandonment to a third party.
Alabama Supreme Court Rules That Frozen Embryos Ar... (show quote)


I'm a little perplexed why you think this is a moronic decision. The "parents" undoubtably paid thousands of dollars to a fertility clinic for those frozen embryos.

You have no idea what the costs were to the individuals who sued nor do you know if they are capable of ever having another chance to have children.

Its perfectly possible that those embryos were frozen because one of them was about to undergo a medical procedure that would make them sterile and unable to have children in the future without the embryos.

How would you like it if someone screwed up and took away your chance to have children. Should you not be compensated for that?

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Feb 20, 2024 12:34:57   #
Triple G
 
btbg wrote:
I'm a little perplexed why you think this is a moronic decision. The "parents" undoubtably paid thousands of dollars to a fertility clinic for those frozen embryos.

You have no idea what the costs were to the individuals who sued nor do you know if they are capable of ever having another chance to have children.

Its perfectly possible that those embryos were frozen because one of them was about to undergo a medical procedure that would make them sterile and unable to have children in the future without tje embryos.
I'm a little perplexed why you think this is a mor... (show quote)


Or, dying! I know of three beautiful children born after implantation done after father died.

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Feb 20, 2024 12:37:23   #
btbg
 
Triple G wrote:
Or, dying! I know of three beautiful children born after implantation done after father died.


Good point.

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Feb 20, 2024 13:14:46   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Rongnongno wrote:
“[T]he Wrongful Death of a Minor Act is sweeping and unqualified. It applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation,” the ruling said. “It is not the role of this Court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy. That is especially true where, as here, the People of this State have adopted a Constitutional amendment directly aimed at stopping courts from excluding ‘unborn life’ from legal protection.”

The ruling pointed to the Alabama Constitution Section 36.06, which argues that each person was made in God’s image, meaning each life has an incalculable value that “cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.”
“ T he Wrongful Death of a Minor Act is sweeping a... (show quote)


Your post is selective. The court pointed to an 1872 law that allowed parents to sue in the case of the death of children. It ruled that unborn children were to be considered as children in this case

https://time.com/6696794/supreme-court-alabama-embryos-children/

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Feb 20, 2024 14:15:53   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
btbg wrote:
.../...

I have no beef with the parents asking for damages. I have a beef with judges that find the embryos being 'persons'. That is where the issue really is.

The judgment opens the door to all types of abuse.

The current exchange does not reflect any of them.

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Feb 20, 2024 14:19:11   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
SteveR wrote:
Your post is selective. The court pointed to an 1872 law that allowed parents to sue in the case of the death of children. It ruled that unborn children were to be considered as children in this case

https://time.com/6696794/supreme-court-alabama-embryos-children/


Actually, if you read your own link you will find:

Chief Justice Tom Parker issued a concurring opinion that quoted the Bible as he discussed the meaning of the phrase “the sanctity of unborn life” in the Alabama Constitution.

“Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory," Parker said.

Justice Greg Cook, who filed the only full dissent to the majority opinion, said the 1872 law did not define “minor child" and was being stretched from the original intent to cover frozen embryos.

As to using the bible instead of the law??? Wow!

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Feb 20, 2024 15:01:02   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually, if you read your own link you will find:

Chief Justice Tom Parker issued a concurring opinion that quoted the Bible as he discussed the meaning of the phrase “the sanctity of unborn life” in the Alabama Constitution.

“Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory," Parker said.

Justice Greg Cook, who filed the only full dissent to the majority opinion, said the 1872 law did not define “minor child" and was being stretched from the original intent to cover frozen embryos.

As to using the bible instead of the law??? Wow!
Actually, if you read your own link you will find:... (show quote)


Yes, life is sacred, from conception. However, the 1872 law does come into effect. They're not just basing their ruling on Holy Writ but established law as well. It's nice when they coincide. So, don't get your nose out of joint because the justices are Christian and voiced that belief. Get upset if they were wrong on the law. In this case they were not and you didn't question their interpretation of the law, either.

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Feb 20, 2024 15:15:56   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
So little boy, is your plan to force the donor to carry each frozen embryo to term?


Look whiny little girl, never said such a thing and it’s irrelevant to the point.

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