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Nov 14, 2012 08:57:03   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
donrent wrote:
"Yes, we are living in very dangerous times."
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AND, sad to say, I do NOT expect it to get any better... There are so many, TOO many who do not know ANYTHING about the Consitution and the fiscal realities and fall pits.. There are SO many from foreign countries ( and this country) who THINK that big Government is good Government and that a good Government should take care of their lazy ass... I could say more, but you get my general drift.......
"Yes, we are living in very dangerous times.&... (show quote)


We always get your general drift don,,, it is one of a jackass.

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Nov 14, 2012 09:00:18   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
I grew up in the '60's, and I have never seen more racisim as I have since 2008.
Obama appointed two 'anti-gun' judges to the supreme court.
Obama placed two 'devout muslims' in high positions in homeland security.
We don't need to go into Obama's beleifs and goals as we all know what they are, some of us refuse to accept that.

Yes, we are living in very dangerous times.



"devout muslims" in homeland security,,, another moronic statement on UH.
Who are they?
How do you know they are devout muslims?
There are millions of muslim americans who are loyal to this country, aren't you aware of that?
anti-gun judges,,, do you know of one judicial decision that they made that can be called anti-gun?
What a bunch of political morons on this site.
The ignorance is actually embarrassing.

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Nov 14, 2012 09:03:00   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
dirty dave wrote:
Just wacthed a spot on ABC where some states are trying to petition to suceed. Is this possible? Are we living in dangerous times? A friend of mine is a prepper I thought he was just a nut but I am starting wonder if he has a point. He also claims that Russia is waiting in the wings for us to just collapes under our own pressures. I would like to here your thoughts on this. This site has a good sample of everyone across the country.


Comment on this,,,
how far did you get in school???
USE SPELL CHECK.
If English is your second language then I apologize for my statements but if you are an English speaker then you should be ashamed of posting like this on a public forum.

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Nov 14, 2012 09:07:28   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
richard-sports wrote:
dirty dave wrote:
Just wacthed a spot on ABC where some states are trying to petition to suceed. Is this possible? Are we living in dangerous times? A friend of mine is a prepper I thought he was just a nut but I am starting wonder if he has a point. He also claims that Russia is waiting in the wings for us to just collapes under our own pressures. I would like to here your thoughts on this. This site has a good sample of everyone across the country.


Comment on this,,,
how far did you get in school???
USE SPELL CHECK.
If English is your second language then I apologize for my statements but if you are an English speaker then you should be ashamed of posting like this on a public forum.
quote=dirty dave Just wacthed a spot on ABC where... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: That's what happens when you cut funding for education. LOL!!! :lol:

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Nov 14, 2012 09:11:42   #
boscobear
 
I have noticed that when these Republican/Tea Party
'people' make these statements, they almost never name names or cite specificsources for their information. I would encourage this person to name the names, etc. that he mentions.

I am unaware of any anti-2nd Ammendment action taked by the President but Iam sure that the NRA will once again be sounding the alarms (encourages membership duse from a certain element and increased gun sales).

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Nov 14, 2012 09:33:39   #
jamitjim73 Loc: Franklin,Tn.
 
I'm 74 and also very scared of where this man is taking the country!!!

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Nov 14, 2012 09:54:19   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
If those States wish to sececede from the union let them go after they have paid off their share of the federal debt. I am sure they didn't complain when their congresspersons and senators were bringing home the pork from the federal government. All this alarmist talk sounds like Henny Penny the sky is falling. We definitely need to get spending under control but secession isn't the answer. The answer compromise and from both sides of the aisle. The house leader has already stated he won't allow tax hikes and there is no way enough can be cut from the budget to pay off the defecit. What we need is to start recalling some representatives that are unwilling to follow anything but the party line.

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Nov 14, 2012 10:20:10   #
dirty dave
 
richard-sports wrote:
dirty dave wrote:
Just wacthed a spot on ABC where some states are trying to petition to suceed. Is this possible? Are we living in dangerous times? A friend of mine is a prepper I thought he was just a nut but I am starting wonder if he has a point. He also claims that Russia is waiting in the wings for us to just collapes under our own pressures. I would like to here your thoughts on this. This site has a good sample of everyone across the country.


Comment on this,,,
how far did you get in school???
USE SPELL CHECK.
If English is your second language then I apologize for my statements but if you are an English speaker then you should be ashamed of posting like this on a public forum.
quote=dirty dave Just wacthed a spot on ABC where... (show quote)


Thanks for your comment. Sorry my language skills are not up to standards. English is not my secound language but after a severe illness that affected my brain, I had to learn to walk and talk(I still have a bad speech inpedament) and yes write. As far as education I have two degress on the wall but I don't remember college. I also don't remember high school. And the saddest thing that I forgot was raising my kids. But since you decided to point this out to embarress me I don't think I will post here anymore. Posting was just another way for me to work on my language skills.

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Nov 14, 2012 10:49:03   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
donrent wrote:
"Yes, we are living in very dangerous times."
========================================================
AND, sad to say, I do NOT expect it to get any better... There are so many, TOO many who do not know ANYTHING about the Consitution and the fiscal realities and fall pits.. There are SO many from foreign countries ( and this country) who THINK that big Government is good Government and that a good Government should take care of their lazy ass... I could say more, but you get my general drift.......
"Yes, we are living in very dangerous times.&... (show quote)


It's people with opinions like yours and others who would rather tear down our government instead of helping fix the faults you think are cracking it's foundation. It's easy to sit back and slew opposing opinions at something you think is wrong but it is another thing to actually help build and make this you call home a better country. We've got the greatest country on earth and to somehow attempt to tear it down is beyond belief. You should ask yourself what is right about our country and how can I make it even better, not by making remarks about it's people by downgrading them. Why do you reference a group with the term lazy?

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Nov 14, 2012 10:51:31   #
nikon_jon Loc: Northeast Arkansas
 
I think the USA has been trying to SUCCEED for a little over 200 yrs. In the mid 1800's there was a conflict over some of the states trying to SECEDE.

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Nov 14, 2012 10:57:54   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
I grew up in the '60's, and I have never seen more racisim as I have since 2008.
Obama appointed two 'anti-gun' judges to the supreme court.
Obama placed two 'devout muslims' in high positions in homeland security.
We don't need to go into Obama's beleifs and goals as we all know what they are, some of us refuse to accept that.

Yes, we are living in very dangerous times.


Maybe he knows that not everyone who is Muslim is automatically anti-American. Maybe he knows that Muslims born in America are really Americans and Islam is just their religion; you know, like you are an American and Christianity is your religion. Maybe he thinks making anti-aircraft guns legal is not the thing to do. Maybe people just hate those they deem inferior, non Christian, too peace loving, or too loving in general. I will turn a thought back to you. Why are you so afraid that every person who doesn't think like you is dangerous?

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Nov 14, 2012 11:11:43   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
I grew up in the '60's, and I have never seen more racisim as I have since 2008.
Obama appointed two 'anti-gun' judges to the supreme court.
Obama placed two 'devout muslims' in high positions in homeland security.
We don't need to go into Obama's beleifs and goals as we all know what they are, some of us refuse to accept that.

Yes, we are living in very dangerous times.


Maybe he knows that not everyone who is Muslim is automatically anti-American. Maybe he knows that Muslims born in America are really Americans and Islam is just their religion; you know, like you are an American and Christianity is your religion. Maybe he thinks making anti-aircraft guns legal is not the thing to do. Maybe people just hate those they deem inferior, non Christian, too peace loving, or too loving in general. I will turn a thought back to you. Why are you so afraid that every person who doesn't think like you is dangerous?
quote=Robert Graybeal I grew up in the '60's, and... (show quote)


I think the answer to that question is; Xenophobia.

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Nov 14, 2012 11:25:25   #
TheRabidOne
 
I opened up my email the other day and had one of the emails on secession and read in with some amusement. I think it is more a sentiment of extreme dis-satisfaction with the direction the nation is headed in many ways. Lets face it, the debt is beyond the wildest nightmares of any prior administration. And with it our children and grandchildren are going to become slaves to it; unless the economic situation causes a total collapse of the nation before they grow up to care where they are headed and where we put them. I believe that if the situation isn't corrected, they will curse us for what we allowed to happen. Some say that the question of secession of any state was settled at the end of the Civil War...well only time and history will tell. That said, there are some exceptions to that basic assumption. There are a few states, Montana being one, that did not come into the Untied States the way others did. They came in under a legal instrument called a Compact as a method of becoming a state in 1889. Basically a compact is a much like a business contract whereas if one party or the other breaks a contractual agreement the other party has the option of ending the contract (as you would fire a company). Nations and states have used the concept of the compact throughout history, such as a Non-Agression Compact (agreement) or water rights compacts between states (Montana has dealt with water rights compact recently). Here is the link to the Montana water compact if you want to read it and give yourself a headache or if you have a case of insomnia (this legalese will cure that!) http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/85/20/85-20-1001.htm.

One could say those passing around such a concept as withdrawing from the union is simply 'stupid' or 'ignorant', or whatever disparaging remarks one chooses. However, does not such a reaction simply display a symptom that the country is in an extremely dangerous situation? And as such is a valid reaction to the situation and also a message to the respective elected official at state and federal levels that they had best cease the destruction of what is left of the economy and end the waste, fraud, corruption of government agencies and officials along with fraudulent abuses of programs designed to help those who are stuck in poverty, etc. Like some...er...elder...members I see dangers that we have never faced as a nation. As a personal curse I have read and studied too much history, and as a result my personal analysis is such that I hate to be living to see the fall of this once robust Republic. Any form of self-governance can only withstand so much strain and stress, even if self-governance is more resilient than a simple monarchy, or dictatorship. For once the monarch or dictator is removed there is a possibility of a quick change of direction of that particular country and society. But if a Republic fails, the only replacement is that of a monarch or dictator; dictator by individual or committee. If this Republic fades from history, the only form of government left universally on the planet is that of a socialist or dictatorial form of government and the choice is tyranny lite or full on tyranny by committee lead by a single individual.

Some say that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, among the writings of the Founding Fathers haven't been taught in school and, "Woe be to us..." Why should they be taught in school? Why haven't you taught those essential documents at home? Oh, I know why. One can say, "I've got to get the kids to soccer, slumber parties, ball practice, music lessons; etc." That is a sorry excuse for not teaching your children and grandchildren about how and why this unique form of self-government came into being. If the Chinese family can teach their children and grandchildren of the greatness of the Communist Chinese form of government there is no excuse for us not to teach our younger generation about the vision the Founders had for self-governance. I ran across a young first time voter the other day who voted for Mickey Mouse for President. When others of more experienced voters heard that they began to hassle him. I said that I understood why he did vote the way that he voted, and the look on his face was one of astonishment; then he thanked me. The older people look at me incredulously. The reason for his vote was quite simple, he saw that both parties were not offering up any replacement of failed policies of either parties, and I honestly told him that I too have been tempted to vote for Mickey in the past; although my choice this election would be Bart Simpson had I wanted to do a write in candidate. However I explained the path of 'the lesser of two evils' is what led us into the greater evil of 'no real choice'. I later gave him a copy of Thomas Pain's writing that included 'Common Sense' and 'The Rights of Man' along with 'The Anti-Federalist Papers'. The reason I chide the reader is because I'm guilty of the same. The failure of the older more experienced generation is that they have failed in their duties to take on the personal responsibility to guarantee the survival of the Republic and Liberty by teaching the younger generation those concepts and their place in the future to do the same. So if one writes off the displeasure of the populace who call for states to withdraw from the tyranny of the dictators via committee in DC; then simply shoulder your responsibility as a citizen and elder to educate those around you, kicking and screaming if necessary, what the Republic stands for and why it came into being. Or at the very least, read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and learn what the founding documents truly mean. Then pass it on to the next person.

PS I shall make no apologies for my view of history and what will come should common sense evaporate from Human Discourse.

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Nov 14, 2012 11:33:00   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
richard-sports wrote:
What a bunch of political morons on this site. The ignorance is actually embarrassing.


richard-sports wrote:
We always get your general drift don,,, it is one of a jackass.


richard-sports wrote:
how far did you get in school???


Why can't you seem to have a discussion without name calling and personal attacks? Just curious. 8-)

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Nov 14, 2012 11:38:15   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
donrent wrote:
Forgot to say... These suceed are really not so much as seriously to do so, rather to let it be known just fed up some are with the direction of the present is going...


Have no idea what is being said here...?

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